Valmet M78/AK74

^ this Pitbull never said ANYTHING about Norinco...lol (end of hyjack) I heard alot of chatter about this rifle at the PoCo range today...i still have not seen the pics :-(
 
I would be in for two if made available.

Serious - CGN group buy and extend offer to your buddies at the gun club, we can generate a fair number here especially if the prices is sub $1000.
 
CanAm said:
The FRT states "Made in Finland" by SAKO, make VALMET, Model M78. Also the FRT is specific about calibres and barrel lengths. The question is what part of the FRT can be changed using the "Non-Commercial Customization" class.
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Bear in mind the FRT disk is NOT legally binding. It is merely the RCMP firearms lab's understanding of the OIC's.

the OIC in question does not state "made in finland" in the legal text. This is just the RCMP trying to limit what a valmet is, without any legal weight behind it.

The way the law is written, Sako could contract with China to build M78's again under the Valmet name and the RCMP would legally lose any court challenge to deny it entry to our market - food for thought.

Here's the exact wording - no mention of "made in Finland":
Former Prohibited Weapons Order No. 13 (in effect since January 1, 1995)
The firearm of the design commonly known as the AK-47 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it except for the Valmet Hunter, the Valmet Hunter Auto and the Valmet M78 rifles, but including the:
(a) AK-74;
(b) AK Hunter;
(c) AKM;
(d) AKM-63;
(e) AKS-56S;
(f) AKS-56S-1;
(g) AKS-56S-2;
(h) AKS-74;
(i) AKS-84S-1;
etc...
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It may be worth an experiment to have DC engineering or similar make a Valmet M78 reciever and mark it as such, with made in USA stamped on it to indicate it is not Finnish. With this we could go through the hoops to test import.
 
Deckard said:
I honestly don't know where this is headed....or why....or if it can fly. Good luck though. Why wouldn't anyone just get a VZ?
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Cause it ain't no AK? We love the Vzor because it's the little Czech rifle that could. I think a lot of people on this forum know it's no substitute or replacement for the classic Kalashnikov.
 
Deckard said:
Re...ha..ha..eally. The VZ smokes the AK in many ways. Yes, I have fired both.
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Well I'm not saying the AK's better... but there's just a certain charm and fame to the Kalashnikov.

Don't see the Vzors on flags or carried as a symbol of manhood in third world nations.

Oh yeah and the AK just has a certain ugly industrial look to it that some (edit:) people (pople, Christ) like myself love. Namely Colombians and starving African militias.
 
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greentips said:
Just think of the ammo you will be giving the antis. The mere mention of AK will prompt political response. Sometimes we just have to give in in some areas and gain in some others. I think the AK thing is better left untouched.
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While this may end up being true, it can also work the other way. It helps point out the utter absurdity of our gun laws (like prohib'ing AK's + variants but allowing the Valmet), and just how illogical and ineffective they really are.
 
Ooooo - better not poke the weenies, cause they might get mad?? Screw em!! We didn't make the dumb freakin' regulations up...full speed ahead and damn the torpedos!
 
QYV said:
While this may end up being true, it can also work the other way. It helps point out the utter absurdity of our gun laws (like prohib'ing AK's + variants but allowing the Valmet), and just how illogical and ineffective they really are.
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Because we all know the antis were working with logic the FIRST time.
 
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