Varrying degrees of breaking the law or poaching, etc...

Turkeyslayer 1300 said:
I actually agree with some of where you are going though. Privatization would tend to remove alot of undesirable hunters from the scene. For instance your once a year road hunter.
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Hey!!! Don't you dis road hunters :D. If it weren't for them, there would be many more deer strikes. The deer are just now starting to come near the grid roads again...
 
I don't hunt my own land and don't allow others to hunt there either.There is lots of crown land. I have never got one cent from the gov't for crop damage and have never asked for anything. Sounds a little lame maybe to some of you guys but I think all animals should have some safe place, and I am privileged to have them. I use to trap on my property but I see this as just harvesting the land.
The thing that bothers me most about hunters aside from driving on newly seeded field when it is soft, is those who make little attempt to recover wounded animals. They have no respect.
 
bearkilr said:
I agree the wildlife belongs to all Canadians, however private land is just that.....private. I am currently and should be able to continue to restrict access as should everyone else.
There is never a guarantee you'll be successful in any type of hunting, so I don't see charging an access fee as exploitation of wildlife. It is simply a fee to allow trespass.
What you're almost stating is that every Canadian should be able to access any land their wildlife is on. That my friend is not socialism, it's communism.
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Most certainly NOT. I restrict access to my land too.
One thing you may want to consider is liability if you are charging for access. I'm not a lawyer, and I didn't stay at the Holiday Inn Express, so I may be wrong, but you may have a higher level of accountability if you charge????
 
2fat2fly said:
Well, I don't want hunting to become an elitist sport like it is in europe, the UK, and growingly the US.
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Some day it will go that way, whether we like it or not. There's good and bad to either arrangement, and human nature being what it is, people will tend to favor whatever benefits them personally and adjust their view accordingly.

Its not like I write the laws, I'm viewing the issue from different perspectives. Mostly because I've been the asker, the landowner,the priviledged friend/family member and the paying client. The view varies with which side of the fence, gate, border or door that your boots are on at the time.
 
Here's one for the trolls.
I lived in Northern Alberta for a decade, still own my 160 acres there and am on good terms with my neighbors. I moved to a different province so I am legally required to purchase an expensive non-resident licence to hunt in Alberta, WHICH I DO. Even though I am hunting on my own land I am also required to be accompanied at all times by my hunter host, WHICH I AM NOT. This makes me a law breaker, not a poacher. Guess what, I can still sleep at night. The moron that shoots a doe by mistake and leaves it or leaves a buck because it isn't big enough are criminals. The guys that don't tag their game unless they have to so that they can keep hunting are poachers.
 
I think that the easiest thing to say is that anyone that hunts outside of what the regs say is a poacher. I however, believe that there are as many varying degrees of poaching as there are varying degrees of fines for poaching. I wouldn't class someone that shoots a deer 5 minutes after legal light with someone that shoots 4 or 5 deer without tags for example. Yes, technically both are poachers but each to different extents.
 
rgv said:
that was in reference to the other fellow, who said three minutes wasn;t a big deal, but rules are rules.

Where do i sit? I excercise discretion and common sense, as you advocate. But I don't lie to myself whether or not I have broken any laws by bending definitions.



this is an interesting point. You are correct of course, however I have never heard of anyone being charged for hunting before legal hours becasue he was in a treestand, but I do know of people being charged with shooting before legal hours.

Somewhat related, not far from Dorintosh i was waiting to be picked up by my buddy, and a DNR truck pulled up (in the dark). They checked my licenses and my rifle, and commented that if my rifle had been loaded he would have ticketed me for night hunting.
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Well you were poaching by your own admission. Just b/c the NRO's didn't ticket you doesn't make it legal. They don't ticket people for shooting a few minutes early either. Those who enforce the law use their descretion as to how strictly they enforce it. What do you think the judge would say about a ticket for shooting at 5:33 when legal time was 5:30?
 
frank derbyshire said:
no when you shoot or harvest it and I feed it, you come to me and give me a 10 because after you shoot it, you own it but i feed it. I love the people who never feed them but want to hunt them. What I want is to treat them as a pest. if they come and eat my crop than i shoot them or you hunters that live in the city come and give my 10 for everyone you get. i live in southern bantario, most land is private not public. pay me to feed them and you can harvest what ever you want with the rules you want. If your deer come on my property and destroy my crop why should i incur the loss for your gain? You pay for your deer, rabbit goose to me , no problem.
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No offence but this post has got to be the most IDIOTIC CRAP I HAVE READ! If you farm land fence it properly or quit complaining end of story!

We used to live by some ranchers that would let their cattle roam without fence maintence and eventually they would have to come and pick up their DEAD cattle at the house, just because they ate the crop did not mean we owned the cattle but we had the right to protect our land, most places offer crop insurance for WILDLIFE DAMAGE, AND THE MNR WILL USUALLY HELP IF THERE IS A PROBLEM BUT CHARGING PEOPLE FOR WILDLIFE THAT IS NOT YOURS IS MORONIC TO SAY THE LEAST!
 
Ontario has never paid for crop damage due to deer.

There is no such thing as crop insurance for deer damage.

Skidooers cut the fences

4 wheelers cut the fences

Dirt bike riders cut the fences

poachers cut the fences.

Deer can jump an eight foot fence. ( seen many hanging dead in the fence that missed the jump)

Ontario farms are not like out west and your fruit/vegetable farmers tend to be very busy from spring until winter.

Farmer have always planted a percentage extra do to crop damage, but how do you compensate for planting 100 trees and having 18 left at the end of a year? Deer saliva is like acid to an apple tree. Deer eat the new shoots and end up killing the tree.

For those of you who think it's so easy consider the number of farms closing across Canada daily for good being turned into residential or cottage. Deer are not the only problem as Government intervention also has a major portion of the blame of the farms closing. As of last year the Ontario Government allowed a few farmers to cull the herds..basically to little to late. The culling was allowed not do to the damage being caused but the Insurance companies petitioning do to car collision claims due to deer. Once you witness 40-60 deer hopping the fence to come to dinner you begin to fathom why you have such a problem. Personally I don't have that problem any more. Farm is gone, houses to be erected. Deer will be pushed towards the grape farmers now who were using propane bangers to try and scare off the deer, but the new residents have already put a stop to the use of bangers as well. Farms are soon to be a memory here in Ontario, as are decent hunting grounds for city people to ask to hunt on.

There are a lot of misinformed posts on this thread. Nice to see so many know how to correct everyone else s farming with not a bit of knowledge on the subject, you come across just like the anti gunners do. You know it all.

Cheers. Not hiring, Closed for farming, Closed for hunting. You win.
 
The wildlife was here way before we were farming it.

Who is infringing on who?

Back to the poaching grey areas and all the Joe Six Pack wanna be CO's that say that poaching is poaching. Next time you shoot an animal phone the CO's tell em that you harvested the animal 5 minutes early and see what they say.

Seems common sense is running low again these days. There are varying degrees to criminal activity.You cannot class the hunter that shoots a few minutes early, or the guy that forgot to leave a little skin on one fish fillet for identity as poachers. To me if there was no intent to harvest the animal illegally then it isn't poaching.

Poachers know they are poaching.
 
I have been living in a remote Inuit community in the far North of Quebec for many years now. I came to this province from another and do not have a hunting licence in Quebec. Firstly, the Inuit who live here are not required to have a licence therefore no classes are offered. Secondly, I could take it in another part of the province however I do not speak French (French is not needed where I live) so I am not able to sit in on those courses elsewhere in the province and finding one in English is extreemly difficult and would require an extreemly expensive flight and weekend away in order to attend.

Finally after years of trying, we got someone to come up here and do the course for the few of us who wanted it. I did the course last year and I never recieved my card in the mail. No one can give me an answer.

There is no one policing the tundra and the Inuit have no formal hunting rules for themselves. They hunt whatever, when ever, and as much as they want. I have seen 100 geese shot by 2 hunters in one day, or when the caribou are passing buy I have seen one guy take multiple animals. Now they do indeed distribute the meat and fur to others and it all gets used up, but many non-natives are generous people too and might want feed their relatives or neighbours given the same opportunity. I do not want to seem "against" the Inuit, rather I don't like to see non-natives who want to hunt become criminals under the same situation. According to our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, all Canadians are suposed to be Equals. Not so even when we live together. Even our Mobility Rights says that we can live anywhere we want in Canada, but if you move to a native area then you do not have the same rights.

I work with Inuit teenagers and I think it is good to take them hunting. Legally I am not able to hunt as I am not holding a Quebec hunting licence, but after trying for years I have given up. I cleared it with the local Inuit hunters organization here and they are okay with me hunting and fishing with no licence when I am with the Inuit kids.

I have not worked with one Inuit with their PAL here, but I have mine. The Inuit without a PAL/POL violate the firearms act because they hunt without a firearms licence. I am the only one with legal firearms to hunt with, but if I hunt I will violate the province's hunting laws.

I would never bring any of the meat home under this situation, and we would keep it all at the centre for the benifit of the kids.

What you guys think of that one?
 
pres717

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/SOR-98-205/index.html


Aboriginal Peoples of Canada Adaptations Regulations (Firearms) (SOR/98-205)

ALTERNATIVE CERTIFICATION
12. With respect to an Aboriginal individual who is at least 18 years old, paragraph 7(4)(a) of the Firearms Act is adapted such that a chief firearms officer shall certify, in the prescribed circumstances, such an individual who meets the prescribed criteria relating to the safe handling and use of firearms and the laws relating to firearms.

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in other words, no PAL or POL is required, nor is registering a Long Arm.
If they wish to own/purchase a Restricted they must comply.
 
stovepipe699 said:
Well you were poaching by your own admission. Just b/c the NRO's didn't ticket you doesn't make it legal. They don't ticket people for shooting a few minutes early either.
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Where in the world did you come to the concusion that I was 'poaching by my own admission'???

stovepipe699 said:
Those who enforce the law use their descretion as to how strictly they enforce it. What do you think the judge would say about a ticket for shooting at 5:33 when legal time was 5:30?
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That, is pretty much my point. I have seen lenient enforcement and I have seen Draconian enforcement with both the Provincial CO service and the Fed DFO.

If you think that as a 'sensible' and 'common sense' person, that you can bend rules as you decide, you are setting yourself up for a problem.
 
bearkilr said:
No, and you won't get a ticket, but they'll tell you to have it checked/recalibrated within a specified time period, otherwise a ticket is coming. ;)
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are you sure about that? Im thinking you would still get the ticket.
 
Most folks can't set their their own speedometer so even though technically you would be speeding it wouldn't be your fault if the calibration was off,barring you changing tire size etc.

I was serious about the time question because I've wondered about it before...
a few minutes here or there...how do you know WHO's got the correct time?
Does LE require a synchronizing every shift so as to be sure that THEIR time is correct,or are hunters at risk if the CO has a crappy watch that runs 5 fast :D

it's something I've wondered about for years and actually had an "indiglow" watch on the riser of my bow so I knew the "real" time. :confused:
 
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