VZ-58s and more...FAQs are Post 1

Q: Considering this monster thread, what do you think of the VZ-58 type rifle?

  • It is a beauty as it comes, and a must have, since it drives Libs bonkers.

    Votes: 1,507 70.4%

  • It is best pimped out and dressed up, a far cry from an NDP convention.

    Votes: 407 19.0%

  • It is true it was the first cool gun in the Cdn. market for a long while, but I'll pass.

    Votes: 166 7.7%

  • It makes me think of snide remarks, as I am a gun snob and the 58 is affordable.

    Votes: 62 2.9%
  • Total voters
    2,142
FWIW, I do know Hitzy had a vz.58, so he has held one and didn;t like it. That being said, I have one and LOVE it for what it is (ie, not a sniper rifle). It's a misnomer that the CZH2003 is made by a different company than CZ. In fact, CZH is supposedly assembling parts onto unissued surplus receivers. All these parts and receivers are made by Česká zbrojovka a.s., Uherský Brod.

It would be like buying all the parts for an Armalite AR15 and then getting DLASK to assemble the Armalite parts for you. Is the result a DLASK or an Armalite?

Of course I have my own suspicions about these "unissued" receivers being used to make "new" CZH rifles given that most of them come complete with Czech army serial number and proofs and even rebuild markings in some cases :roll: but who am I to argue with the Czech gov't and the RCMP inspectors? :|

If anyone thinks the CZ858 will have anything new made on it besides the bbl, be prepared for disappointment :!:
 
Well anyway the CZ858-2 tac is an adaptation specifically for Canadian customers and is going to be gwky looking with a 19" barel.

?eská zbrojovka has the CZH2003 has info and a write up about the rifle on their website.
 
This is not a detailed info!!!

Sa vz. 58 was originally produced for CSLA - czechoslovak army. Now they are for sale from army warehouses and they are changed to semiauto.

CZ 858 is almost the same system but frame and receiver are newly designed and manufactured for civilian purposes and semiauto fire but 90% of other parts is the same, because they are produced from old spare parts from CZ warehouses and now maybe there are also some new parts that are made on original machines.
CZH 2003 was first oficially approved semiauto clone of samopal vzor 58 /Sa vz. 58/ in czech republic, and is made from surplus parts from warehouses with certain new parts.
CZ 858 was second approved semiauto in Czech republic directly from CZ.

On special licence you can buy for collecting purposes also fullauto or army original gun in CR and also in SR, but it is very exceptional and difficult to gain licence.

In slovak republic is the "original fullauto army Sa vz.58" semiauto-only clone called semiauto IPSC rifle vz. 2002 or 2000.

Another clone is from USA and is called VZ2000, and has new US made frame, is also only semiauto.

more info in english can be found also here
http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/

than click on picture of CZ858-2 tactical
CZ 858-2 TACTICAL
NON RESTRICTED!!!!!!!
 
spare parts except barrel, frame and maybe receiver you can buy in CR free, but I do not know anything about possible import restrictions in Canada.
If your rifle has fired over 10.000 rounds, than there could be destroyed one of springs at the end of receiver. The gun /Sa vz. 58/ was compared in USSR with AK with good results.
 
Is it possible to get synthetic furniture, like the ones seen in the pictures, here in Canada (or anywhere else for that matter)?
 
Clammy said:
Does anyone know if AK furniture will fit on the VZ-58?

Cheers!
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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probably not, different systems of guns.
I really do not know why you want to change the original composite furniture for another, it was in test in USSR with better results than wooden AK stocks from DDR or Hungary or Poland.

Maybe to put there some custom own stock or whole furniture??? If already produced in CR is not fitting.
 
momentalne anonymny said:
Clammy said:
Does anyone know if AK furniture will fit on the VZ-58?

Cheers!
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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probably not, different systems of guns.
I really do not know why you want to change the oiginal composite furniture for another, it was in test in USSR with better results than wooden AK stocks from DDR or Hungary or Poland.
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I didn't even know theVZ-58 furntiure was composite. I thought it was just a different colour wood, hehehe...

Thanks.

Cheers!
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
 
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http://www.oktarget.cz/armada_en.html

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To clarify things in my earlier posts - I was refering to the following terms that I thought Canadians had adopted:

CZ-58: the real military rifle, full auto, no missing / ground springs, no modification of trip sears, no welding, nada

VZ-58: the only available copy of the original, many changed internals and completely un-alterable back to original without a re-build of the reciever and all trigger mech parts.

The entire 'Which factory is better thing' was not my intent at all.

However...

My statement still remains:

AK-47 vs CZ-58 = CZ-58 is better (more-gooder for those who don't understand 'better')
 
ok, are you implying thamok is somehow connected with logic? live long and prosper?
Yes the VZ58/CZ58 is a better rifle than the AK-47. That I will agree with 100%.
 
Norcyaddict762 said:
ok, are you implying thamok is somehow connected with logic? live long and prosper?
Yes the VZ58/CZ58 is a better rifle than the AK-47. That I will agree with 100%.
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No, it's a clever play on words referring to the ST episode "Amok Time". Where Spock goes into the Vulcan mating thingy "Ponn Farr". He ends up fighting Kirk in hand to hand combat, killing him. Of course, it's a clever trick of McCoy's, who brings Kirk back from the dead. Spock is anything but logical during this time.
 
Re: This is not a detailed info!!!

momentalne anonymny said:
CZ 858 is almost the same system but frame and receiver are newly designed and manufactured for civilian purposes
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Gotta call BS there. All the detail pics of 858's I've seen in europe were built on remanufactured MILITARY receivers from the 60's, not new production.

If ANYTHING on the 858 besides the barrel turns out to be new made within the last 5 years or so, I'll be shocked almost to death.
 
Stevo said:
Norcyaddict762 said:
ok, are you implying thamok is somehow connected with logic? live long and prosper?
Yes the VZ58/CZ58 is a better rifle than the AK-47. That I will agree with 100%.
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No, it's a clever play on words referring to the ST episode "Amok Time". Where Spock goes into the Vulcan mating thingy "Ponn Farr". He ends up fighting Kirk in hand to hand combat, killing him. Of course, it's a clever trick of McCoy's, who brings Kirk back from the dead. Spock is anything but logical during this time.
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Star trek huh. I bet your a hit at parties. :D
 
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