VZ-58s and more...FAQs are Post 1
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ilovepotatos said:AR's are for pussies. No stopping power, and I wouldn't trust my life to one.
Real men shoot 7.62x39 or higher.
C'mon potato man. 5.56mm is a HUMAN KILLER. The round is lethal on humans sorry to say dude. Do your homework before you say such noncience. When a 5.56 hits the body, the round will tear up you innards pretty nicely. If you don't die right out, you will surely bleed to death. The little bullet has a tendency to deflect off bone etc and tumble inside the body ripping all kinds of things open. Actually it is perfect for use on humans. Seeing as that was what it was designed for.
Not moose or deer, dude,, but HUMANS.
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K98ACTION said:ilovepotatos said:AR's are for pussies. No stopping power, and I wouldn't trust my life to one.
Real men shoot 7.62x39 or higher.
C'mon potato man. 5.56mm is a HUMAN KILLER. The round is lethal on humans sorry to say dude. Do your homework before you say such noncience. When a 5.56 hits the body, the round will tear up you innards pretty nicely. If you don't die right out, you will surely bleed to death. The little bullet has a tendency to deflect off bone etc and tumble inside the body ripping all kinds of things open. Actually it is perfect for use on humans. Seeing as that was what it was designed for.
Not moose or deer, dude,, but HUMANS.
Give me a little more credit son. I've earned it.
The 7.62x39 has more stopping power. And while YES, the 5.56 will kill you when you're shot with it (and it's probably going to hurt) the 7.62x39 shot through thick trees in the Vietnam war and still had enough force to kill the poor sap behind it.
If I'm fighting in urban combat, I want the AK for 2 reasons:
1. Stopping power
2. I sound like all the other insurgents and don't tip them off.
Sounds like someone needs to sacrifice a tree for the sake of unbiased ballistic testing! Say one big enough for the average zombie to hide behind. Ok 2 trees one soft wood one hardwood. Using both 5.56 and 7.62x39. I would be very interested in seeing the results.
You know just in case I ever run into a zombie hiding behind a tree
You know just in case I ever run into a zombie hiding behind a tree
Results of shooting throgh dense vegetation will also be interesting...
I shot AKs in 5.45 and 7.62, PK and can tell you it can hit ALL you need to hit with an infantry rifle within resonable range, I'm assuming VZ can do the same. Definetely not a marksman's rifle of choice tho.
I shot AKs in 5.45 and 7.62, PK and can tell you it can hit ALL you need to hit with an infantry rifle within resonable range, I'm assuming VZ can do the same. Definetely not a marksman's rifle of choice tho.
ilovepotatos said:K98ACTION said:
Potat man, I have not problem giving you a little respect for you opinion, but when people say stupid un-substantiated things like AR's are for pussies, no stopping power, it makes my SKIN CRAWL! I'm not trying to debate one way or the other. But the fact is NATO adopted the 5.56mm for a reason. The 5.56mm was designed for a reason. The 5.56mm used in NAM was improved upon, although it's possible you may have some case regarding the deflection issue, although not much, as even the 7.62x39mm will bounce off of an object in the way, ie.a branch.
The point here is this. If the 5.56mm is for pussies and no stopping power, I challenge you to interview some of our soldiers on its efficency, and killing, ie. stopping power, and especially out to ranges that would make the 7.62x39mm round only wish to accomplish. Yes the 7.62x39mm is a mighty good combat round in most engagement ranges, and has been battle proven again and again,
But the points is you can't just go and bash the 5.56mm round like you did, and not expect to get this kind of reply.
The 5.56mm was designed for one purpose only. TO shoot humans. That's it That's all. If you want to use it on deer or moose, your choice, but that is not what it is designed for.
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sounds like the old 5.56 vice 7.62x39
theres good and bad to both
and they both have ideal situatons
the fire arms community has been debating this for years so IMO don't bother
theres good and bad to both
and they both have ideal situatons
the fire arms community has been debating this for years so IMO don't bother
They are both good rounds. It's like driving to the beach, a Ford or Chevy will get you there, and you'll have fun getting there. It's like what is better...vanilla or chocolate ice cream?.....and on and on....all is good.
Either round, you pull the trigger and it makes the bad people go away.
Either round, you pull the trigger and it makes the bad people go away.
Ok, I for one am done. I have a CZ-858 in x39mm I'm just grumpy today F-ing auto insurance company is pissing me off.
I just took the 5.56mm is for pussies the wrong way, seeing as an M-16A2 was my service rifle for 16 years, and personally I would trust my life to the caliber, and have.
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I just took the 5.56mm is for pussies the wrong way, seeing as an M-16A2 was my service rifle for 16 years, and personally I would trust my life to the caliber, and have.
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