Walthers PPX range kit versus S&W M&P 9 range kit

People always say how terrible the trigger on the m&p is but I don't find mine to be bad at all, the reset on it is quite decent actually. It's a bit gritty on the pull but not overly, maybe I got a newer production model with the better trigger for all I know, I took a good look at the slide release lever recently and it has the upgraded reinforced version that's got an extra weld on it.

It's not as crisp as say a Glock but it's pretty noticeable in the reset dept.

If we are talking strictly triggers the m&p is horrible for the price ($650). The canik tp9sa ($530 @ questar) and ppx ($570 average) have better triggers for considerably less. Or you can go the other way and spend a few more bucks for a sig p320 ($750) and m&p pro ($750).
 
People always say how terrible the trigger on the m&p is but I don't find mine to be bad at all, the reset on it is quite decent actually. It's a bit gritty on the pull but not overly, maybe I got a newer production model with the better trigger for all I know, I took a good look at the slide release lever recently and it has the upgraded reinforced version that's got an extra weld on it.

It's not as crisp as say a Glock but it's pretty noticeable in the reset dept.

My 5" Pro Series 9mm has zero audible reset and zero tactile reset in the trigger. And for a Pro Series, it's still gritty. Reset can be fixed easily with a 3rd Gen slide stop assembly and an Apex RAM. But try and find the slide stop. Nobody sells one. No comparison to a Glock trigger.
 
My 5" Pro Series 9mm has zero audible reset and zero tactile reset in the trigger. And for a Pro Series, it's still gritty. Reset can be fixed easily with a 3rd Gen slide stop assembly and an Apex RAM. But try and find the slide stop. Nobody sells one. No comparison to a Glock trigger.

Tweak the trigger bar, very slightly (very, very slightly) toward the middle of the gun, it'll give you a better feel for the reset- and cleaning up the action pieces (1500 grit wet and dry and Flitz polish) will take away all of the grit in the take up and remove the false reset. No need to reprofile the sear, just polish it, the trigger bar and the FPB.
 
I know someone who has a Walther PPX, HE says impossible to get mags for it. Check it out first. If you start shooting IPSC you will want more mags than what comes in the kit.
 
Tweak the trigger bar, very slightly (very, very slightly) toward the middle of the gun, it'll give you a better feel for the reset- and cleaning up the action pieces (1500 grit wet and dry and Flitz polish) will take away all of the grit in the take up and remove the false reset. No need to reprofile the sear, just polish it, the trigger bar and the FPB.

What part do you have to bend on the trigger bar?
 
My 5" Pro Series 9mm has zero audible reset and zero tactile reset in the trigger. And for a Pro Series, it's still gritty. Reset can be fixed easily with a 3rd Gen slide stop assembly and an Apex RAM. But try and find the slide stop. Nobody sells one. No comparison to a Glock trigger.

Mine has a very audible reset, I guess I got lucky with mine. I might try polishing as enefgee mentioned to eliminate the grit on take up but I'm fine with the reset on mine.
 
I'm currently shooting a PPX in ipsc, so far the gun has been running great, but I only have ~2k rounds through it so far, as others have said, finding mags is a pain but not impossible. The grip is a little odd looking but it works pretty well for me, For the price I think its a great value.
 
What part do you have to bend on the trigger bar?

You want to deflect the trigger end of the bar inward (very, very slightly) to move the sear 'ramp' (at the opposite end) toward the centre line, then it gets more energy from the slide as it kicks back into battery. Polishing the FPB and trigger bar extension gets rid of the false reset - it's caused by the trigger bar extension dropping off the small ledge on the FPB. That also removes the gritty feeling caused by the extension grinding it's way over the FPB. Also polish the lower part of the striker where it catches the sear, and the 'ramp' of the trigger bar and under sear where it rubs the the trigger bar's ramp. Done right, you end up with what feels like a good 2 stage rifle trigger with a positive reset and a clean break at just under 4 lbs.
 
I think i will be the first to say ppx over the m&p. For the amount of money you will spend to fix the m&p trigger you will be in p320, m&p pro, glock, cz shadow territory. So you might as well invest in one of those from the start. Otherwise save the money buy the ppx, buy extra mags and that's it. Don't overspend on any of these 2. But the ppx wins in value, trigger, ergonomics, & quality (fit & finish). Just my opinion after owning both.

The newer M&Ps have a decentish trigger. I'm not rushing to change mine out. Compared to the older versions and some Glocks, it's competition ready!
 
My 5" Pro Series 9mm has zero audible reset and zero tactile reset in the trigger. And for a Pro Series, it's still gritty. Reset can be fixed easily with a 3rd Gen slide stop assembly and an Apex RAM. But try and find the slide stop. Nobody sells one. No comparison to a Glock trigger.

I think it depends when the M&P was made. I shot Glock, Walther, and a bunch of others at the range before I decided on the M&P9 and I was not disappointed when I got it. The new ones are much better.
 
I'm trying to choose between the Smith and Wesson M&P 9 range kit and the Walthers PPX range kit as my first handgun. I've rented the M&P9 at my local range and liked the feel. It certainly was more accurate than I am so leaves lots of opportunity for my skills to grow. I haven't found the PPX in stock locally so haven't bee nable to check the feel of the gun yet. In addition to target shooting I'd like to be able to use the gun as I explore IPSC shooting (when my experience increases). A big consideration for me is the price difference with the PPX being $499.99 and the M&P 9 being $689.99.

Any comment or guidance will be much appreciated.

I know it doesn't have a range kit and I'm sorry if this makes it more difficult but, have you seen the new S&W SD9VE? Its a stryker fired polymer in 9mm with a stainless slide. 399 I believe is what they're going for. Maybe worth a peek.
Cheers
 
I know it doesn't have a range kit and I'm sorry if this makes it more difficult but, have you seen the new S&W SD9VE? Its a stryker fired polymer in 9mm with a stainless slide. 399 I believe is what they're going for. Maybe worth a peek.
Cheers

As an m&p9 owner that has fired a new sd9ve I can tell you the trigger on the sdv is worse than the m&p, I was pretty surprised at this lol.
 
Still have my M&P range kit.
At least 6k rounds thru it and haven't cleaned it even once.
Not even a bore snake thru
Runs like a top, no ftf or fte
Factory trigger sucks, get the full Apex job.
Xs big dot sights as well.
fairly impressed for what it is...
 
I think it depends when the M&P was made. I shot Glock, Walther, and a bunch of others at the range before I decided on the M&P9 and I was not disappointed when I got it. The new ones are much better.

Mine is a 2012 model. Some of the newer ones alread come with the Gen 3 slide stop installed.
 
As an m&p9 owner that has fired a new sd9ve I can tell you the trigger on the sdv is worse than the m&p, I was pretty surprised at this lol.

I kinda agree with this....although I did get used to the sd40ve trigger...wasn't S&w's finest piece...great quality slide though..
 
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