We need to support Maxime Bernier

O'Leary is going to alienate a lot of conservative voters. He is not the Trump of Canada. More like Hillary who pushed a lot of her support base away. Andrew Scheer from Regina, Saskatchewan all the way. He understands the predicament of the west, firearms and carbon tax included. He has the support of a lot of conservative MPs, was a speaker of the house of commons. Yes, speaks French. The most important part though is he actually listens and care about his constituents.
 
savagefan said:
I just wish a politician would come along that actually kept their word and did what was best for Canada no matter what , would be a nice change eh lol. We had him, but along came turdo.
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They do come along from time to time, we just don't support them when they are candidates, arguing "they will never get elected". So we pick someone else to run and then complain about the results.

Not saying it's a simple problem - we pick candidates based in large part on our perception of whether they can win votes from an ill-informed electorate - but we either need to start piling up support behind candidates we believe *would* keep their word when elected or we're going to end up with Trump clones running the world. And Taco Bell taking over all the restaurants.

If we are not going to VERY aggressively support candidates we trust then the only other option is finding someone who is willing to lie shamelessly to get elected (while being scrupulously honest with us) then revert back to being honourable once they are in office.

EDIT - BTW this is not meant to be a snotty response to people who disagreed with me earlier, I'm just trying to say that there are a couple of different ways to approach this:

1. Support the "least awful" candidate that you think has a good chance of getting elected

2. Support "most desireable" candidate that you think has some chance of getting elected

I haven't had a chance to watch all the debates so going mostly on chances to meet candidates F2F... so there's going to be some "eastern" bias I need to work through.
 
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Looks like CBC is taking tips from North Korea. Start the social programming with the children.

I think this is why the Conservatives need someone like O'Leary who has a personality to defeat Trudeau because he's got to defeat Trudeau and the CBC.

 
Maxime Bernier is a good choice because his firearms policy is solid plus he has the best chance of getting elected and actually implementing his improvements.
 
Stormchaser said:
Looks like CBC is taking tips from North Korea. Start the social programming with the children.

I think this is why the Conservatives need someone like O'Leary who has a personality to defeat Trudeau because he's got to defeat Trudeau and the CBC.

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Yeah personality is what I want in a PM. If that was the case Trudeau would win again
 
Rsmith8 said:
Maxime Bernier is a good choice because his firearms policy is solid plus he has the best chance of getting elected and actually implementing his improvements.
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I give you the most likely to win but I seriously doubt half of what he has promised will get through. Odds are he gets in all of a sudden he will start with the public safety spiel
 
Steve_B said:
Do you really think that Trump is that popular here in Canada?
Because that's how O'Leary is being marketed/perceived (inaccurate though that may be).
If the CPC chooses O'Leary then on election night, we'll get a chance to see Canada roast Trump in effigy.

On a "positive" note, Kim Campbell will find herself flooded with requests for interviews.
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Who said anything about trump?
Trump and o'leary are entirely different critters.
Trump launched missiles against an oppressive regime that was using chemical weapons against its own people recently.
Actually did something in the real world to solve a problem.
The canadians would have talked it to death.
No comparison to be had.
I wish we did have a real trump up here in canada.
 
Rsmith8 said:
Maxime Bernier is a good choice because his firearms policy is solid plus he has the best chance of getting elected and actually implementing his improvements.
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Don t forget to able to afford guns and range memberships, and enjoy our sport we need to work, have a safe country to live in, with good health care and education for our kids. I enjoy firearms, but to be perfectly honest it is not top of my list. But all of the candidates I am considering will be good to firearms owners, we'll they say they will.
 
torontogungal said:
Who said anything about trump?
Trump and o'leary are entirely different critters.
Trump launched missiles against an oppressive regime that was using chemical weapons against its own people recently.
Actually did something in the real world to solve a problem.
The canadians would have talked it to death.
No comparison to be had.
I wish we did have a real trump up here in canada.
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I second that
 
torontogungal said:
Who said anything about trump?
Trump and o'leary are entirely different critters.
Trump launched missiles against an oppressive regime that was using chemical weapons against its own people recently.
Actually did something in the real world to solve a problem.
The canadians would have talked it to death.
No comparison to be had.
I wish we did have a real trump up here in canada.
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No he didnt. He launched a bunch of missiles at an airbase after getting a off the phone with best buds pootypoot to give ample warning. Reasoning behind the launch:
1. Get rid of a bunch of cruise missiles that were hitting expiry date in 2019
2. To tell China he isn't a "paper tiger"
3. Distract the populace in the US that the Congress basically made the Senate irrelevant with their Supreme Court nomination.
The amount of money eye wasted on sending those missiles could have paid for PP for the next 200 years.

Oh and the airfield was operational again in less than 24 hours. That level of deterrence is approaching UN sternly written letter level .

Still waiting for him to drain the swamp. From what I am seeing there is a big clog and he is just making it bigger
 
Trump will keep us safe from the chinese and russians so we can continue delivering our indignant moral criticisms like a back seat conscience.
We have moved on over the space of 50 years from one annoying trudeau to another.
Other than that nothing much has changed.
 
torontogungal said:
Trump will keep us safe from the chinese and russians so we can continue delivering our indignant moral criticisms like a back seat conscience.
We have moved on over the space of 50 years from one annoying trudeau to another.
Other than that nothing much has changed.
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Well said
 
Given that my priority is electing a leader to beat JT & his regressive-leftists, this is the stuff that matters most to me:

http://www.ipsos-na.com/news-polls/pressrelease.aspx?id=7554

"If Kevin O’Leary were the leader of the Conservative Party, the Liberal lead (38%) over the Conservatives (37%) would be just one point among decided voters, while the NDP (17%), Bloc (4%) and other parties (4%) would be well back. Three in ten Canadians either don’t know (23%) or wouldn’t vote/would spoil/not choose any (8%) in such a matchup."

"If Maxime Bernier were the leader of the Conservative Party, the Liberals (42%) would have a fourteen-point lead over the Conservatives (28%) among decided voters, while the NDP (20%) would be a little more competitive. The Bloc (5%) and other parties (6%) would trail. Four in ten Canadians either don’t know (30%) or they wouldn’t vote/would spoil/not choose any (7%)."

AND

"Interestingly, the Conservative Party’s boost in voter support under O’Leary seems to be coming from an unlikely source. Among decided voters, the vast majority tend to say they’d vote for their current choice no matter who’s leading the Conservatives (Tories will vote Tory, Liberals will vote Liberal, and so on). Yet, the survey reveals that many current NDP voters say they’d vote Conservative if O’Leary were leading the CPC.

"In fact, two in ten (22%) current NDP voters appear poised to change their vote to Conservative if O’Leary wins the leadership race. Moreover, the proportion of Canadians who are undecided on their vote choice decreases when O’Leary is the leader (23% don’t know of their vote choice if O’Leary leads the party, 29% if Leitch leads it, and 30% if Bernier leads it), suggesting that the rise in support for the Tories under an O’Leary leadership comes both from undecided and some NDP voters, although this could be temporary given the NDP are also looking for a new leader."
 
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