Weatherby Mark V vs Vanguard...Here me out

Addressing the PRC thing, ya if you are new to 300s and want to shoot 800-1000 yards it’s a good round. If you are a hunter that’s unlikely to shoot past 500 the WBY is a great round. Once fired you are headspacing on the should as well. I was shooting 200 Noslers at 3100 35 years ago. Possibly better cut chambers and precision factory ammo are definitely good, as well as tighter twist barrels. For someone buying a new 300 for long range shooting sure the PRC has some advantages, hunting it’s pretty hard to beat the old WBY. Jaded old guys point of view.😂
 
Addressing the PRC thing, ya if you are new to 300s and want to shoot 800-1000 yards it’s a good round. If you are a hunter that’s unlikely to shoot past 500 the WBY is a great round. Once fired you are headspacing on the should as well. I was shooting 200 Noslers at 3100 35 years ago. Possibly better cut chambers and precision factory ammo are definitely good, as well as tighter twist barrels. For someone buying a new 300 for long range shooting sure the PRC has some advantages, hunting it’s pretty hard to beat the old WBY. Jaded old guys point of view.😂

1000?..some advantages??
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Personally I’m a Mark V deluxe guy. That being said I have a lazergard that shot very well. For me it’s about both performance and looks. I’m more partial to German / Japan mark v’s but own a couple American ones …waiting to pick up my varmintmaster 224 at Prophet that arrived.
Nice addition...they had that one varmintmaster in 22-250 a couple months back that was sure easy on the eyes...im on the hunt for a deluxe Japan 378wby in exellent condition that Doesnt have a brake or porting.
 
Time... ...
the old
fallback defense when modern ballistics completely disrupts traditional marketing.

Leaning on an "age requirement" rather than looking at real engineering data.

300 Weatherby in 1944) simply could not account for modern Doppler radar, advanced fluid dynamics, and ultra-high-BC bullet profiles.

The .300 Weatherby requires that massive freebore jump because 1940s steels couldn't handle the chamber pressure otherwise.

The .300 PRC relies on precise, tight SAAMI specifications to align the bullet perfectly with the bore before it even moves.

The belted case on the Weatherby was inherited from the 1912 .375 H&H to headspace on the belt, not the shoulder.

The 300 PRC headspaces precisely on the shoulder, which is why it inherently produces more consistent neck-tension and better accuracy.

In just a few short years, the .300 PRC has already been adopted by elite military units (like USSOCOM) and dominates the ELR circuit. It did not need 30 years to prove itself; the data proved it immediately.

Tech over Time
I think what he’s getting at. He’s probably a traditionalist like myself. I think the new cartridges are neat and definitely do some real long range precision, but it is nice that all of my rifles can be fed at the local UFA. My buddy is definitely into the new ballistically superior rounds but me give me a 30–06 or beat up 308. I’m more than content.
 
Nice addition...they had that one varmintmaster in 22-250 a couple months back that was sure easy on the eyes...im on the hunt for a deluxe Japan 378wby in exellent condition that Doesnt have a brake or porting.
I had an 80's vintage Varmintmaster in 22-250 with a a Wby scope when I was collecting Weatherbys. It had the heavy barrel and Deluxe wood and was unfired and in the original box when I got it. I wanted desperately to fire it but didn't and eventually sold it when I got rid of my collection, I still feel a pain in my heart when I think of that gorgeous little rifle!
I saw that one listed at Prophet River and came very close to purchasing it.
 
I had an 80's vintage Varmintmaster in 22-250 with a a Wby scope when I was collecting Weatherbys. It had the heavy barrel and Deluxe wood and was unfired and in the original box when I got it. I wanted desperately to fire it but didn't and eventually sold it when I got rid of my collection, I still feel a pain in my heart when I think of that gorgeous little rifle!
I saw that one listed at Prophet River and came very close to purchasing it.
I actually got one of them in my collection minus the scope but its the 224 wby that has the heavy 26" barrel....that 22-250 was temping but I just bought a new to me browning 1885 in 223 rem so I wimped out as i feared the wrath of the wife.....lol
 
I think what he’s getting at. He’s probably a traditionalist like myself. I think the new cartridges are neat and definitely do some real long range precision, but it is nice that all of my rifles can be fed at the local UFA. My buddy is definitely into the new ballistically superior rounds but me give me a 30–06 or beat up 308. I’m more than content.
I hear you. Grew up on a farm. We saw Weatherby's as a tad pretentious and intrinsically expensive. When I was young, there was an endless supply of good to new surplus stuff, so I gravitated first to .303 then discovered the virtues of controled feed in all the various mausers. Not in the same league, but the one I want to play in!!

I still have one 7mm, two Military and once civilian Zastava in 6.5 x 55, and a commercial 9.3 x 62. Physically can't hunt seriously, but I had North America covered.

Top end Weatherby's are very easy to look at.
 
I find it hard to believe that weatherby headspaces on the belt just because its there.why would they do that
some are right...ask Weatherby
On efficiency vs inefficiency
Weatherby had to have the strongest action for COPIOUS amounts of powder with free bore....or death would be the result

375 h&h vs 375PRC (aka 375Ruger )
inefficiency vs efficiency
 
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I find it hard to believe that weatherby headspaces on the belt just because its there.why would they do that
All belted cases headspace on the belt, that's the way they were designed.

To understand why belted magnums headspace on the belt you need to know a bit of belted magnum history. Belted cases go back over a hundred years to the early 1900's. The 375 H&H wasn't the first belted case but the one which most people recognize the name of and the grandaddy of most of the more modern belted cartridges. Back then there were a lot of rimmed cartridges in use and bolt action rifles were fairly new but rimmed cartridges didn't feed well in box magazines, adding a belt improved feeding. Also, the early cartridges had long tapered bodies and the belt also prevented the cartridge from over inserting into the chamber and made for more reliable ignition.
Belted cases were made obsolete many years ago now but there are so many rifles around chambered for belted cases that the concept will not be going away any time soon.
 
some are right...ask Weatherby
On efficiency vs inefficiency
Weatherby had to have the strongest action for COPIOUS amounts of powder with free bore....or death would be the result

375 h&h vs 375PRC (aka 375Ruger )
inefficiency vs efficiency
It's easy to badmouth just about anything but I'd like to derail the Weatherby topic for a moment in an attempt to put this into perspective.

The 375 H&H was invented in 1912.
The Model T Ford was invented just 4 years earlier in 1908 and was produced until 1927.
1912 was also the year that the Titanic sank.
The US commissioned their first submarine in 1912.
An airplane managed to fly over 100 mph in 1912.

All of these cutting edge technological break throughs have long since been rendered obsolete but the 375 H&H is still in production. This cartridge is also listed in many African countries as the minimum cartridge power wise for hunting dangerous game, that's how good it is! Is it efficient....no, are there better cartridges out there... yes.
It's easy to bash this cartridge but given it's age and the technology that was available when it was invented, it's a darn good cartridge despite all it's faults.
 
All belted cases headspace on the belt, that's the way they were designed.

To understand why belted magnums headspace on the belt you need to know a bit of belted magnum history. Belted cases go back over a hundred years to the early 1900's. The 375 H&H wasn't the first belted case but the one which most people recognize the name of and the grandaddy of most of the more modern belted cartridges. Back then there were a lot of rimmed cartridges in use and bolt action rifles were fairly new but rimmed cartridges didn't feed well in box magazines, adding a belt improved feeding. Also, the early cartridges had long tapered bodies and the belt also prevented the cartridge from over inserting into the chamber and made for more reliable ignition.
Belted cases were made obsolete many years ago now but there are so many rifles around chambered for belted cases that the concept will not be going away any time soon.
The 300 weatherby is not the 375 or 300 h&h my question is still why would weatherby add extra heads pace at the shoulder even if it did have a belt. I should be getting a lot of case stretching which is not the case I don't even count my reloads
 
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