Well, Now They've Declared War.....

Many of us 12(X) owners will be fighting at the "taxpayer" level but many (myself included) are also barred from certain activities by our "employment" status.

As far as fundraising and a legal battle, I feel that any 12(X) owner should be prepared to go all out...yes..I will liquidate any and all assets to atempt to keep and use my 12(x) firearms...as it is my RIGHT...

I think that we need to have some serious meetings in person within our local areas to share information and legal strategies...we've gotten folks together for social evenings...this would be far more important...

And in speaking to many of the local hunters and small bore shooters in the last 24 hours...they are either in DENIAL or can't be bothered in helping...

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lets all go to Ottawa!!!!!!!Lets get seen!!!!Make them listen!!!!! :evil:



(we can all stay a Hitzy's place :p )




:twisted: Jamie Barkwell
 
and we should ban beer!!!!!so no one will ever drive drunk again!!!If it saves just one kid it will be worth it :roll:



:twisted: Jamie Barkwell
 
and we should ban beer!!!!!so no one will ever drive drunk again!!!If it saves just one kid it will be worth it
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Do NOT, i repeat.. DO NOT give them any ideas, even in jest. I heard a 'mothers against drunk driving' rep on the radio today, he's pushing for zero tolerance and a month long ban for anyone with even a hint of booze on their breath. Have a beer with lunch - go to jail. :roll: I hate drunk drivers, but come on?!?
 
I've sent my MP an email and have also sent a copy of it to all my friends and family so that they may do the same.

I will also be going to the CFO on Monday for SAP's.

To the government, Silence is construed as consent and I for one am not giving them my consent. :evil:
 
With all due respect Juster.....this is not about funding another "do good" org. or a political party, it's about Bartok5 and other 12(x) owners. THEY are the ones who will be in court fighting this and THEY are the ones that need the financial help to do so.
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We can win this on individual battles in the courts just so long as we are well prepared. We can NOT give a judge a legal way to wrangle support for the federal government position. Judges do not like to rule against bureaucratic decissions, especially ones they may personally agree with. Judges also claim to be constrained by law except in cases where they don't agree with the law (like the manditory four year sentence for firearms offences).
If an appeal hearing is done, it has to be done consideral all aspects of the refusal. not just one. All it takes is one aspect to be regarded as valid and the appeal stands.

Unfortunetly the average lawyer does not understand the firearms act and the nuances involved with 12(x) firearms, S.A.P.s and A.T.T.s not to mention the powers (and limits of powers) of the C.F.0.s. As most judges were once lawyers they don't understand either. (just ask Dave Tomlinson)
The feds are simply using the confuse, divide, and conquer method and so far it is working.

Strange that they are doing this before the possibility of an election though.
Or maybe they think the public just doesn't care and the debate is over.
 
Reason for an arms populus

There are reasons for the people to be armed. It is what has kept the government in line for centuries. Think:

The Civil War (USA) - They created armies just by going town to town and getting the guys to grab their own guns and join up. Now, I know that we are past that, but really that was one of the reasons. Even today there are reasons to have your citizens armed. Look at other countries that are fighting for freedom/rights/recognition and I am not referring to terrorism or anything like that but think of small countries in Europe that are working to create their own identity. It helps when you have your own guns.

If the government can eventually remove guns from everyone there is absolutly NO chance of forceful oposition. Hitler did that in Germany. Ony the Geshtapo (SP) had guns, and ummmm we all saw where that went. I think that we are headed into a political situation where we just get controlled by the few "IMPORTANT" people. WAIT, isn't that a dictatorship?

Makes me wonder where we are headed, and with-out any voice while we are headed there, once we are there we will all be screwed!!!! The govt just does what they want. In other countries there would be WAY more oposition to this kind of treatment. Canada is not a 3rd world country, this should not be happening.
 
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There are reasons for the people to be armed. It is what has kept the government in line for centuries.
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Preaching to the choir, kiddo. :) That is why totalitarian governments all over the world prefer a disarmed populace.

The issue is: how do you educate a gun-ignorant or gun-phobic populace that guns are a net benefit to their liberty? And, how do you educate a judiciary with similar views when the government of the day has been demonizing firearms for decades?

I wonder if that's not part of the strategy in the Liberals' constant harping on how Canada is "different" and "better" than the US, due to our not having a constitutionally protected "right to bear arms".

Get the public used to the idea that guns are evil and, at best, a "privilege" and they won't object to disarming the gun owners.

This is not going to be an easy task.
 
We need to get the public interested and show them how the gov. has been slowly attacking prohib firearms owners in the wallet, and the undue emotional stress this has caused them. Something that gets hippie ##########s pissed off, (they seem to be running the country BTW) it's emotional turmoil, and the Gov. taking money from the little guys. We need some current or former CF guys that handle serious firearms for work (C-6,7,8, etc.) to lead the way, this accomplishes a few things.
1. It shows the Gov. trusts you with THEIR guns, but not with your own semi auto collection.
2. In a way it sort of adds more legitamacy to owning prohibs (I know this is a bit of a stretch but we have to use bull#### too) as you see them everyday, and take an interest in your work.
3. WHat's the minimum age now if you had 12.5? 31? So these are not gangbanger kids, these are mature adults being targeted.
4. need to show how you have owned these types of firearms for 15 years or so, and spent a considerable amount of money on them as the gov. said owners could keep them and use them for the rest of their lives. A $2000 firearm, became a $1000(12x) firearm, which is now worth nothing as you can't use it for it's legitimate purpose that has been fine for the last 15 years.
5. Really need to focus on the financial stress this has caused. I'm sure some guys are sitting on $100,000 worth of prohibs that they used regularily, now worth squat. Really drive this one home to the public, even mention that the gov. should compensate owners for rendering their property valueless. I think this will have a big impact.
I'm sure I will think of more stuff as this all plays out.
 
You might be surprized how empathetic the general public is to the problem, once they truly understand the problem. As I slowly educate my soccer mom friends and colleagues to what the government is really doing, the majority response is "Hey, that's not right!" Many Canadians, those who don't have an anti-gun personal agenda (and that's most), and are not hunters, or gun owners, simply don't realize what the government's been up to and how they're doing it. Most simply couldn't believe it was true, because that's "not the Canadian way" and they had no expectation their government would stoop to that. One female friend, when I described how pistols had to be stored, including flintlocks, felt that the situation was absolutely ridiculous, particularly when there were no kids around. This from an ardent Kerry supporter in the last US election. In Ontario, the pit bull ban saga has really hit home to a lot of soccer moms and we need to relate to that analogy for all its worth.
 
contact148 said:
I have 3 "sportsmen" friends i hunt with

have no intrest in this infact they say no one needs assault weapons and the like

i telll them they will lose theres once mine are all gone

there answer is they will never take hunting rifles and shootguns they will only take the handguns and military stuff

we will NEVER get most if many of the hunters/sportsmen guys on board cause they dont think it will effect them
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Why else would the gov't spend billions to include longarms into the registry? :roll:
 
Foxer said:
How do you stage a coup?
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You have 2 million gun owners sign up to the conservative party, which currently has 250,000 members only. Then you own them. Then you get them elected. Thats how you stage a coup.
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Now THAT sounds like a plan! :twisted:
 
sigger69 said:
Foxer said:
You have 2 million gun owners sign up to the conservative party, which currently has 250,000 members only. Then you own them.
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Now THAT sounds like a plan! :twisted:
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Long term, this is the only plan I can see working. Short term, win your day in court, sure. Just worried that next year the police will ask you to hand it over to be destroyed.
If anyone has a better plan I'd love to hear it. Not trying to be divisive or insensitive to the plight of Bartok1 and others.

Here's Garry:
http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/guncontrol.htm
 
Jamie said:
lets all go to Ottawa!!!!!!!Lets get seen!!!!Make them listen!!!!! :evil:
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That's not a bad idea... we should organize some type of protest or ralley. That'd open their eyes a little bit. We gotta get in their face! :x
 
sigger69 said:
Foxer said:
How do you stage a coup?
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You have 2 million gun owners sign up to the conservative party, which currently has 250,000 members only. Then you own them. Then you get them elected. Thats how you stage a coup.
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Now THAT sounds like a plan! :twisted:
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Don't know if you can belong to more than one political party, but you could also join the Liberals, and change their agenda... :wink:
 
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