Well... The Semi Auto RPD FRT data is published...

Do you have a link to the ruling on this FRT?

If that is their actual course of action to come to a decision, than I am sending in an FOI request on all information that was involved in coming to that conclusion.

I will challenge it myself since there is no fact based evidence in that ruling as it appears.

That decision is clear BS, and I will gladly bring that to attention of others.
 
IMHO, this 'decision' by the RCMP lab took 3+ years because:
(1) The lab waited for the political climate to change... Which happened last October...
(2) The lab waited for Minister Ralph Goodale to rescinded a directive to the RCMP requiring the timely classification of firearms... This directive ensured the Firearms Lab didn't 'sit on' a firearm for years, and preventing it's importation.

h t t p://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/guns-firearms-rifles-laws-1.3753514

Now the lab literally answers to no one as the current minister has said, the current gov will not step in...

Regards
Jay
 
Jay said:
IMHO, this 'decision' by the RCMP lab took 3+ years because:
(1) The lab waited for the political climate to change... Which happened last October...
(2) The lab waited for Minister Ralph Goodale to rescinded a directive to the RCMP requiring the timely classification of firearms... This directive ensured the Firearms Lab didn't 'sit on' a firearm for years, and preventing it's importation.

h t t p://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/guns-firearms-rifles-laws-1.3753514

Now the lab literally answers to no one as the current minister has said, the current gov will not step in...

Regards
Jay
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Well there is always the recourse of legal action. The law is the law and regardless of the look of the firearm, there is precedent. The Lab would need to demonstrate to a judge how "easily" it can be made F/A.

Sadly, it should not take deep pockets to receive justice.
 
Claven2 said:
Well there is always the recourse of legal action. The law is the law and regardless of the look of the firearm, there is precedent. The Lab would need to demonstrate to a judge how "easily" it can be made F/A.

Sadly, it should not take deep pockets to receive justice.
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Deep pockets for sure. And when the gov has UNLIMITED resources, a difficult fight for justice FOR SURE!

Regards
Jay
 
84wh1 said:
I mean I know these were semi auto only versions but they are essentially semi auto version of a LMG.......similar to the semi auto only versions of the AK(which we all know is prohib).
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Maybe you're thinking of the RPK and not the RPD?

RPK:
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RPD:
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Grove said:
Do you have a link to the ruling on this FRT?

If that is their actual course of action to come to a decision, than I am sending in an FOI request on all information that was involved in coming to that conclusion.

I will challenge it myself since there is no fact based evidence in that ruling as it appears.

That decision is clear BS, and I will gladly bring that to attention of others.
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A link to the ruling? It is an opinion. Not a ruling. Not sure what you're asking for.
 
Grove said:
Do you have a link to the ruling on this FRT?

If that is their actual course of action to come to a decision, than I am sending in an FOI request on all information that was involved in coming to that conclusion.

I will challenge it myself since there is no fact based evidence in that ruling as it appears.

That decision is clear BS, and I will gladly bring that to attention of others.
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If you submit an ATIP (FOI is the US term), ensure you are thorough! Ask for:

"All existing records, including but not limited to transient records, e-mails, hand written notes, meeting minutes, records of decision, records of discussion, testing records, photographs, notebook pages, blackberry messages, text messages, briefing notes, communications directed at or from any Minister or Member of Parliament, and summaries of all conversations in which decisions were made that pertain to the testing, classification, consideration, handling and discussion of all firearms of the pattern commonly referred to as the RPD from all manufacturers in the world, including semi-automatic versions for the period beginning 17 September 2006 through to 17 September 2016."

You need to stay within 10 years or they will definitely come back at you and demand more money to complete the search.

Make sure you send SEPARATE ATIPs (pay the $5 each time) to The Department of Public Safety, the RCMP, The Department of Justice, the Department of Canadian Heritage (that's where Status of Women is located), the Privy Council Office and the Prime Minister's Office. You'll want to cast a broad net to get everything. If you don't send separate requests, the departments will defer to the RCMP's heavy-handed severance of the documents and the ATIP office will limit how many hours they each spend searching.

Be prepared for the RCMP to claim all their stuff is exempt (it's not, but they are lazy d!cks when it come stop taking ATIP seriously). The Departments they correspond to, however, will end up releasing it anyway as they are maniacal about compliance. I like comparing what one Department says vs what another withholds. Usually you end up with most of the whole picture.
 
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giant yetti said:
this decision makes me want to go buy 3 type 81 rifles...
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#1bcshooter said:
Ya if they ever get built .
Even though they have a non restricted FRT you can bet when the shipment arrives in Canada the CBSA will hold it .
Just like they did with Canam's T97'S . Then the RCMP will re inspect a sample and guess what they will say ?
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Agreed! The current lib gov is simply using a new mechanism to prohibit firearms. They've told the lab they can do as they wish... And I would be surprised if businesses would take the chance & import any firearms that could get seized by CBSA, re-reviewed by the lab AND THEN SEIZED.

If anyone gets mad at the fed gov, they simply point at the RCMP & lab and say; "It's not OUR fault, it's the lab..." Sigh

Regards
Jay
 
Claven2 said:
If you submit an ATIP (FOI is the US term), ensure you are thorough! Ask for:

"All existing records, including but not limited to transient records, e-mails, hand written notes, meeting minutes, records of decision, records of discussion, testing records, photographs, notebook pages, blackberry messages, text messages, briefing notes, communications directed at or from any Minister or Member of Parliament, and summaries of all conversations in which decisions were made that pertain to the testing, classification, consideration, handling and discussion of all firearms of the pattern commonly referred to as the RPD from all manufacturers in the world, including semi-automatic versions for the period beginning 17 September 2006 through to 17 September 2016."

You need to stay within 10 years or they will definitely come back at you and demand more money to complete the search.

Make sure you send SEPARATE ATIPs (pay the $5 each time) to The Department of Public Safety, the RCMP, The Department of Justice, the Department of Canadian Heritage (that's where Status of Women is located), the Privy Council Office and the Prime Minister's Office. You'll want to cast a broad net to get everything. If you don't send separate requests, the departments will defer to the RCMP's heavy-handed severance of the documents and the ATIP office will limit how many hours they each spend searching.

Be prepared for the RCMP to claim all their stuff is exempt (it's not, but they are lazy d!cks when it come stop taking ATIP seriously). The Departments they correspond to, however, will end up releasing it anyway as they are maniacal about compliance. I like comparing what one Department says vs what another withholds. Usually you end up with most of the whole picture.
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Thanks Claven, if I didn't know any better I'd say we are both barking up the same tree here.

I would suggest to others make the same request, let us make a big splash regarding this senseless decision (as it appears so far).

I hope our major firearms organizations would apply for the same information as well, the classification "system" is completely screwed and needs to be done away with if the included comment is considered an acceptable scientific result....

"- It is the inherent, full automatic essence/design of the firearm itself that makes this firearm susceptible to be "readily and easily converted from semi-automatic fire to fire shots in rapid succession with one pressure of the trigger in a relatively short period of time with relative ease".
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I wonder how much time and resources a few hundred (or thousand if we were really lucky) ATIP's like this would eat up out of their day.........
 
I couldn't find info on this semi-auto only RPD but if it is an open bolt design like the military original then maybe just maybe that's where there ruling is from. The lab hates open bolt semi's which is probably the broad stoke they are painting this rifle with as prohib. Doesn't mean they are right.
 
VancouverS4 said:
I couldn't find info on this semi-auto only RPD but if it is an open bolt design like the military original then maybe just maybe that's where there ruling is from. The lab hates open bolt semi's which is probably the broad stoke they are painting this rifle with as prohib. Doesn't mean they are right.
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It is closed bolt, with a purpose built semi auto receiver that is shorter than the full auto receiver.

There is plenty of info out on this design. No need to assume.
 
VancouverS4 said:
I couldn't find info on this semi-auto only RPD but if it is an open bolt design like the military original then maybe just maybe that's where there ruling is from. The lab hates open bolt semi's which is probably the broad stoke they are painting this rifle with as prohib. Doesn't mean they are right.
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This is very true of open bolt guns. I have a nice ob 22 but I need a new part to fire reliably as the part I need is old and worn.
 
The infuriating part is that we can't challenge the "it's prohib cuz we said so" stuff without significant and expensive effort. The RCMP and the current government don't want any new semi-auto rifle approved, so I fully expect that we'll see the same for every new rifle submitted--a multi-year process that ends with a curt, never- explained "too easy to convert to full auto" ruling. And, because the general public have bought into the popularly-accepted myth that all guns can be easily converted to full-auto, and that by doing do, their killing power is immensely increased, there'll never be any challenge.
 
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