whast the real deal with a-bolts?

7 REM MAG said:
i never once said i rely on secondary shots, i try at all times to make my first shot count however when a follow-up shot is necessary it is almost always a very fast ordeal, most white-tails dont walk along at a leisurely pace after they get shot they high tail it outta there.
i could really care less if you dont think my opinion on he gun is valid im just happy that i dont have any of your type in my hunting group
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Ordeal? You put too much pressure on yourself, with all that bolt jamming, truck huntin, loading on the run or jog stuff. BIGREDD simply asked ""What exactly is retarded about it?""

I know that most white-tails dont walk along at a leisurely pace after they get shot they high tail it outta there, but I might suggest that if you empty you clip and you don't have one flopping on the ground in front of you, that needs a fi nisher, that even with the best remington ever made and the slickest Tikka you should think twice about reloadng an havin at em again.

And BTW.....NO PROBLEM WITH YOU NOT WANTING MY TYPE IN YOUR GROUP:runaway: :runaway:

And in keeping with the topic of this thread, I like the A-Bolt!
 
Having actually owned an a-bolt,as well as several other rifles with detachable mags,I have yet to ever lose a magazine in over 30 years of hunting.As for the a-bolt system,it is by far the slowest and most complicated system that I have ever used.The a-bolt is certainly well made,but if I wanted the highest odds of the most accurate rifle for the price,I would choose a tikka t-3.
 
Whats wrong with the a-bolt magazine: 1)most time cunsuming design ever created
2)drop down plate is very low quality-any little pressure on it when open and it feels like it is gonna break
never once said that i empty my entire clip on deer i stated that a fast follow up shot is nice to have when in fringe country and in the bush. just to think of a couple

I like the gun except for the magazine and bolt on most, if it were an in-line clip it woud be my best friend. i still gotta sy for the price tikka is very hard to beat
 
a-bolts

I've owned a few a-bolts .The first a-bolt I bought from S.I.R. in 1988 or1989? the gun is a great, great rifle .the safety is quient when you put it on or off ,not like other makes and I've owned hunderds off firearms but I don't bad them.when I die they will plant me with that left handed a-bolt in 7mm mag.
 
7 REM MAG said:
Whats wrong with the a-bolt magazine: 1)most time cunsuming design ever created
2)drop down plate is very low quality-any little pressure on it when open and it feels like it is gonna break
never once said that i empty my entire clip on deer i stated that a fast follow up shot is nice to have when in fringe country and in the bush. just to think of a couple

I like the gun except for the magazine and bolt on most, if it were an in-line clip it woud be my best friend. i still gotta sy for the price tikka is very hard to beat
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Thanks for that answer... but again I must disagree. There is nothing low quality about the plate, hinge or the metal used in their manufacture. The quality is outstanding and I have handled, owned, shot and sold many A-bolts and only seen one hinge plate broken... due to abuse... and "Longs" had the parts and fixed it in 10 minutes.:eek:
The idea that they are slow and limited for a fast follow up shot is also an opinion born of your own limited familiarity. I own both a T-3 and an A-bolt that see regular use in the field and on the bench.
I am intimate with the use of both rifles shooting at coyotes and the problems that you equate with the A-bolt simply don't exist in the real world. I can change a clip out in both rifles in SECONDS.
I would agree that there are strengths and weaknesses to both rifles but in my opinion the mag system or bolt design is not one of them.:cool:
 
7 REM MAG said:
never once said that i empty my entire clip on deer i stated that a fast follow up shot is nice to have when in fringe country and in the bush. just to think of a couple
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Then my point is, you have no need to load on the move, run, jog, hike, whatever, and a loaded A-bolt is certainly capable of doing its part to get a follow up shot, if you do yours:)

BTW, Tikka sure is slick, but A-bolt is built sturdier. Browning repair at Bashaw Sports is very good. Stoeger in Ontario who does warranty for Tikka sucks!
 
Yeah, They should check the functionality of their guns in on warranty repair before they release them back to the customer...

I sent my Stoeger 2000 in about three weeks ago for warranty repair, and the gun worked when I shipped it to them (albiet it was only a 2 shot semi)
Now the bolt release doesnt work unless your holding the lock in and pushing it...
I just havent had a chance to take it apart and fix it PROPERLY yet...
I like stoeger products, but Im not happy with their warranty repair.
 
I am intimate with the use of both rifles shooting at coyotes and the problems that you equate with the A-bolt simply don't exist in the real world. I can change a clip out in both rifles in SECONDS.
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It is really too bad that you live so far away.I would enjoy making a wager that I can change out a magazine on my remington quicker than you can on the a-bolt.Not only would I have the satisfaction of being quicker,but I would enjoy taking some of your cash.:D
 
stubblejumper said:
It is really too bad that you live so far away.I would enjoy making a wager that I can change out a magazine on my remington quicker than you can on the a-bolt.Not only would I have the satisfaction of being quicker,but I would enjoy taking some of your cash.:D
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On a quick change clip thing, I'd put my money on you and your remington! Out of the box ability to shoot well enough to come close to satisfying any gun enthusiast? For a hunting rifle in a hunting claibre? I would put my money on the A-bolt. After dinking around with bedding and floating and triggers, the remington might come around? or might end up on the trade in rack or some gun show table looking pretty and new and too good of a deal to be true;)

This thread seems to be a shoot out or a clip out between remington and browning with some favoring those plastic tikkas. In my opinion, the winner is
SAVAGE
 
On a quick change clip thing, I'd put my money on you and your remington! Out of the box ability to shoot well enough to come close to satisfying any gun enthusiast? For a hunting rifle in a hunting claibre? I would put my money on the A-bolt.
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You might change your mind if you saw my remingtons.:D They started out as remington actions,but are built to much closer tolerances and with much better barrels,bedding,and stocks than any off the shelf a-bolt.For an off the shelf rifle for a reasonable price,I would choose a tikka t-3 over an a-bolt as far as accuracy is concerned.
 
stubblejumper said:
You might change your mind if you saw my remingtons.:D They started out as remington actions,but are built to much closer tolerances and with much better barrels,bedding,and stocks than any off the shelf a-bolt.For an off the shelf rifle for a reasonable price,I would choose a tikka t-3 over an a-bolt as far as accuracy is concerned.
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Are your guns out of the box remington hunting guns or are they custom rifles built on remington actions? If they are custom rifles, I would expect them to out shine anything off the rack or whats the point?

Don't get me wrong! I am not trashing all remingtons. Their Senderos and Police or varmint type rifles seem to be ok but their hunting grade bdls, cdls, sps, often need work done to them just to be as good as A-bolt the T-3 is right out of the box.

Just based on accuracy, I would say that Tikka and Savage are neck and neck, followed by A-bolts, with reminton bringing up the rear.

In keeping with the intent of this thread, I think A-bolts are a fine rifle!
 
pharaoh2 said:
ooh, ooh, STEVEN'S! Cheaper, and no clip!:D
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Right on:D Those Stevens are 100% Savage and are a really good bang for the buck, but they might drive 7mm Rem Mag to drink especially when it comes to truck hunting and loading on the run and shootin at those white tails who don't stand around after being shot at and thats not to mention the wolves.....huh...out of breath there:wave:
 
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NAA said:
C'mon everyone in the know knows every self respecting rifle collection needs at least one Abolt in the battery... ;) :D
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Yep and every self respecting rifleman, needs to own a couple remingtons just to decide for himself remingtons claim to legendary out of the box accuracy.
Remington is right in one respect. If the rifle ends up accurate, its because someone fixed it after it got out of the box.

Actually I love em all!
 
Are your guns out of the box remington hunting guns or are they custom rifles built on remington actions?
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They are built on trued and lapped remington actions with premium barrels and mcmillan stocks.So just how many customs do you see built on a-bolt actions?Why do you suppose that is?For that record,I have owned several 700s and all were capable of sub MOA with handloads with only a trigger adjustment.Then again,my a-bolt needed a replacement trigger spring to lighten it to a comfortable pull.
 
well today i went to epps and tromblys and checked out a ton of rifles. winchester m70,tikkas,sig,and a about ten different A-bolts.

i did not like the feel of the winchester at all seem like it had a long length of pull or sumtihng.

the tikkas of course were smooth (already knew that had one) and the shoulder real nice.


i found the sig kinda cheap feeling, but it was also pretty smooth.

then i shouldered just about every A-bolt the had.

Medallions,hunter, stainless stalkers, mossy oak stalkers,stalker.

i must say its not the smoothest feeling bolt but i really did that 60 degree pull. i think it would be good if wearing gloves and quiker.

about the mag floorplate seemed to be pretty strait forward to me, i dont think it would bother me at all.

so my next rifle is definatly going to be an A-bolt.
 
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