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misanthropist said:
I probably shoot more Glocks than anything else but I actually mostly agree with the OP. You can work around the no-safety issue but IMO it's a defect. We've all grown to accept the idea that guns don't need safeties even if they have 3 pound, 1/8" triggers...but I agree that there's an inherent risk to using guns which can be partially mitigated with safety switches. In particular, the holstering process can be pretty dangerous unless your form is really solid, and that's where people have traditionally ventilated themselves.


Where I disagree is on TDA guns like the 226. Once you hit the decocker, you would really have to work hard to accidentally trip that trigger. So I wouldn't let the lack of a 1911-style safety dissuade me from a 226 or other guns with a DA first pull as long as there's a decocker and, ideally, a hammer you can rest your thumb on as you holster. If the hammer starts coming back, you know you're about to get flashed and banged.


I shoot a lot of glocks so apparently I'm okay with no external safety at all, but it does mean that the reholster has to be WAY more careful, at least until The Gadget makes it up here. Your reholster should be careful regardless, but on a Glock it should be very careful. Don't wear jackets with toggles, etc etc etc. Anyone who's been on the line with me knows I'm usually the last guy to finish reholstering, even when using guns WITH safeties.


If I were you I'd look at the M&P line which can be had with a thumb safety, and is reasonably priced, or the SR9 if you want a bit more of a budget option.



Also: never, ever let other people convince you to do stuff you think is unsafe. You may well be wrong, but then again...maybe they've just grown numb to the dangers. If you want a gun with a safety, get one.
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Thank you misanthropist.
 
If the OP wants a pistol with a safety, then he wants a pistol with a safety - for his own reasons; but, the safety discussion is interesting. I wonder about striker fired pistols without an external safety such as the Walther PPQ etc. They are pretty much the equivalent of cocked 1911 - and very few would recommend carrying a cocked 1911 without the safety applied. It is not an exact analogy, but very close. And, yes we know that the gun will not fire unless the trigger is pressed. Anyway, it is a lively topic.
 
hotdog said:
I wonder about striker fired pistols without an external safety such as the Walther PPQ etc. They are pretty much the equivalent of cocked 1911 - and very few would recommend carrying a cocked 1911 without the safety applied.
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You're kidding...?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_PPQ#Safety

This year 2016, as in, striker fired pistols have been fielded worldwide. Are you saying striker fired pistols are not safe?
 
The sig has safetys, decocking lever for one, number two being the d/a first pull of 6 pounds. That isnt something you can accidentally squeeze. Theres a reason they didnt add any external safetys, because the biggest safety item there is, is proper training.
 
TW25B said:
It's not voodoo, it's simply a mechanical device that YOU control, not the other way around. If you're that worried about it then I strongly suggest another recreational activity.
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+1
A large community is clearly suggesting what is common practice. Not because we are all unsafe retards running around miraculously not shooting ourselves. but because we are all trained to understand and respect a firearm while it is loaded vs unloaded.

If this was in a hunting thread and you were worried about walking through the bush then OK, fair game for a safety.

If your finger is on a trigger of a loaded firearm while pointing it at yourself i highly suggest you seek psychiatric evaluation...

We gave you strong advice. But Best Go buy a glock 'safe action' (sarcasim....)
 
CZ 75 is a fine shooter, or even a jericho 9mm. My only complaint about the Jericho is the placement of the safety (on the slide), which isn't an issue on the CZ
 
rlummerding said:
I understand the mechanics of trigger systems. The problem is without a real safety, all these other systems can be defeted with a simple pull of the trigger. Triggers can easly get caught on gear and clothes. A real safety is the only solution.
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The safety you are talking about does not always work. Sometimes the safety does not do their job.
Like what most people have said, the best safety is your finger and constant training.
 
CZ or 1911 in 9mm would suit you. I have both and really it comes down to what I want to shoot on any given day. The CZ is a great gun at a modest price. People's comments about safeties are true but there is no harm in wanting a pistol with a mechanical safety. That being said I don't feel any safer with striker or hammer fired gun in my holster but that is my personal take on it.

Stick to your gun(s) OP!
 
Would it be a fair assessment to simply say that most striker-fired pistols have no external safety whereas most hammer-fires do?

I think you're on the tight track, OP. Continue to visit ranges and gun stores so you can hold and examine the different firearms up and close and form your own opinion as to what will work best for you.

Stay away from striker-fires though; doesn't sound like any of them will make you feel comfortable. And that's fine! ;)
 
Would it be a fair assessment to simply say that most striker-fired pistols have no external safety whereas most hammer-fires do?
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I would assume it's because the safety often also works as a decocker... that's the only time I use my safety, to drop the hammer.

The safety you are talking about does not always work. Sometimes the safety does not do their job.
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What safety was he talking about?

The safety on my gun puts a block of metal in between the firing pin and the hammer... I would confidently say it's impossible to bypass that...
 
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