What 9mm with a real safety to get

[luckey]

Did you even watch this video? the guy in the video who shot himself was using a Kimber PRO CARRY II which is a 1911 with safety.
How did the built-in safety helped that guy?!

To what you said below, for new shooter, the key is NOT to have a safety which just bring an illusion of being safe, but importantly all the proper steps to ensure the safety for themselves. remember to put the safety on, decock the gun, don't rush and concentrate on what you do with the firearm EVERY SINGLE STEP OF THE WAY. ALWAYS remember the gun could mulfunction at any given time, new or used. so, safe direction, trigger finger off the trigger. That would be the ultimately safety. so, to look for safety, look into a mirror.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LE32Riyugg



I'm not worried... I'm just saying that it's safer, which they are. Especially for new shooters, no? This is a new shooter looking for something with proper safety for his wife who plans on carrying at the range...

 

[XSlor]

I actually toss the 1911 in that pile... I don't think it has a great safety. Maybe on half ####... But people will carry it on full #### in the usa... Anyways... To each their own! As I said, you guys win, I lose! Give the wife whatever! I still think OP is right in choosing something with a proper safety as a beginner's gun...

 

[sunjeep24]

Safety useless.. only useful on automatic rifles during war time.


Hate the magazine safety that aome pistols have

 

[Greenhorse six]

If it hasn't been said yet , the Beretta 92 has a Big grip , like fat , the CZ is nicer and I think you can get slim grips for it to make it smaller .
The Smith & Wesson M&P's can be had with a thumb safety , not sure how common they are up here though .

But a nice 1911 FTW .

 

[shawn]

I'm sorry Shawn if I hurt your feelings.

Keep telling yourself that LOL

Its not my fault that you believe that finding something on youtube equates to a wide spread sweeping generalization that you parrot as fact.

Shawn

 

[IM_Lugger]

Beretta 92 and CZ 75, Grand Power K100

 

[Antoine22]

I actually toss the 1911 in that pile... I don't think it has a great safety. Maybe on half ####... But people will carry it on full #### in the usa... Anyways... To each their own! As I said, you guys win, I lose! Give the wife whatever! I still think OP is right in choosing something with a proper safety as a beginner's gun...

What's your defenition of a great safety then? Because the kimber have 4 safeties. Thumb safety, grip safety, half #### safety and firing pin safety.

 

[flange]

What's your defenition of a great safety then? Because the kimber have 4 safeties. Thumb safety, grip safety, half #### safety and firing pin safety.

I'm surprised nobody has mention the remington 700 safety issue.Some might say well that's a rifle it's not pertinent to the conversation, but it is a clear example of how dependence on a mechanical safety can and has resulted in disaster. If you want a pistol with a safety buy one, but understand muzzle control, trigger discipline, and the unerring practice of these are the only things keeping you safe.

 

[rlummerding]

Hi all,

Thanks for all the responses. I never imagined i would generate so much talk.

I read the posts and made the following list. If i missed yout suggestion, i am sorry. Let me know and i will include it.

1911
Beretta 92
Beretta px4
CZ 75
CZ 85
Browning hi power
Grand power k100
Grand power x-calibur
S&W M&P
HK usp
Diamondback FS
Ruger SR9

Thats lots to choose from.

I guess it is back to the rental range for us to try as many as we can!

Luckey pointed out in post 69 that many of pistols like glocks and sigs can be bought with a manual safety. I will have to look into that. Thanks luckey!

 

[Still alive]

The best safety is your brain and common sense. If the trigger finger is never on the trigger till the sights are on target, you will never have a problem. Rely on proper fundamentals, not mechanical devices.
Buy a gun your wife will enjoy shooting. A manual safety should not be the first criteria of a firearm purchase.
A cumbersome gun with a manual safety will not make your wife a better shooter.
Just my $0.05.

 

[stevebc]

I very much like the safety on my Shadow. I don't use it as a safety, I use it as the perfect place to put my right thumb. Left thumb drops easily onto the forward section of the slide stop. Perfect grip.

As a safety, it's easily thumbed, and ambidextrous.

 

[yohann160]

Get a S&W M&P9 without the thumb safeties.

 

[misanthropist]

The best safety is your brain and common sense. If the trigger finger AND NOTHING ELSE EITHER is never on the trigger till the sights are on target, you will never have a problem. Rely on proper fundamentals, not mechanical devices.
Buy a gun your wife will enjoy shooting. A manual safety should not be the first criteria of a firearm purchase.
A cumbersome gun with a manual safety will not make your wife a better shooter.
Just my $0.05.

Most of the incidents I've seen have been jacket elastics or toggles, or other clothing.

It's very easy to say "just don't shoot it then" if you spend your life on ranges where nothing interesting ever happens. Personally I have seen people rushing their reholster just to keep up with a class - this is actually extremely common. I have also had to reholster while seated at desks and in cars, and that's just on ranges.

If you think it's always dead easy to reholster inside a car no matter what else is going on, you've had a very different set of shooting experiences than I have.

If all I was ever going to do was pick a pistol up off a table and shoot a piece of paper, I'd probably be fine with a Glock with a 4-oz trigger.

But not everybody wants to play that game. I still like my Glocks but they limit my holster selection precisely because of the safety issue.

 

[jparent]

This thread is so 1982.

The shooting community learned long ago that you don't use a striker fired gun in a flimsy leather holster like the one above. A polymer or kydex holster only.

The only way to make the gun below go bang is pull the trigger. You can make a 1911 go bang without pulling the trigger.

There is almost no such thing as an accidental discharge. Negligent discharge however....

If it makes you feel better OP, get an M&P with an external safety. Try not to hurt yourself.

There's that local fellow that shot himself in the leg like... a week ago?? your turn...

(LEO at the range shot himself while drawing, maybe holstering, his weapon - I mention LEO because he would obviously have experience drawing his weapon)

And here's an example of how not having a safety can cause an AD:

 

[Still alive]

I believe the OP was talking about a gun for his newbie wife. They seem a few steps away from
drawing and reholstering in a car or desk.
There are enough passive safety guns in use in the world and NDs are relatively infrequent. I'm sure both Glocks and 1911s have their share of NDs when haste and lack of attention take over.

 

[TW25B]

This example does NOT necessarily prove safety is better than without safety. In your example, I would say the LEO was not paying attention to what he did and was forcing the gun into holster which shouldn't happen. just like when you are reloading, some people could just force a primer and caused the primer to explode which shouldn't happen either. remember the safety always rests on the person who is holding the gun. If he can just force the gun into a holster, who is to say that he won't forget to put the safety on which could result in the same thing.

That holster is beyond serviceable and is the sole responsibility of the user to replace it with one that retains it's shape and does not have any pieces or parts that will fit inside the trigger guard. User error, as usual..

Do you actually think all AD are reported?
Only the one that caused injuries would be reported or on the news.

They are not AD's they are ND's. Negligence is what causes 99% of the "unintentional" shootings. Like the two morons in the videos below.

I'm sorry Shawn if I hurt your feelings.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LE32Riyugg



I'm not worried... I'm just saying that it's safer, which they are. Especially for new shooters, no? This is a new shooter looking for something with proper safety for his wife who plans on carrying at the range...

A safety wouldn't have done anything for the two mouth breathing morons in the videos. FINGERS ON TRIGGERS is what caused those ND's. Oh and having the firearm POINTED AT SOMETHING THEY DID NOT INTEND TO DESTROY would be the other issue. There are only four rules to firearm safety and those special cases broke all of them.

TW25B

 

[Freedom shooter]

I agree with most here. And personally love my sig.

However I think you should check out the beretta 92 series pistols. And the px4 I think as well.

The safety/de-cocker actually has a rotating part that blocks the firing pin....

Agreed, I'm surprised more people on here haven't recommended this. I think this is one of the best options for the OP if he is solely interested in the best functioning safety.

 

[XSlor]

if the trigger finger is never on the trigger till the sights are on target, you will never have a problem.

It's not always the trigger finger though... That one video I posted, the officers sweater got snagged in the trigger guard and boom....

A safety wouldn't have done anything for the two mouth breathing morons in the videos. FINGERS ON TRIGGERS is what caused those ND's. Oh and having the firearm POINTED AT SOMETHING THEY DID NOT INTEND TO DESTROY would be the other issue. There are only four rules to firearm safety and those special cases broke all of them.

Actually with a manual safety you can pull the trigger till the cows come home and no boom... A block physically falls between pin and hammer...

 

[misanthropist]

I believe the OP was talking about a gun for his newbie wife. They seem a few steps away from
drawing and reholstering in a car or desk.

And how many steps away are they from being new to gun handling and reholstering while wearing jackets?

If the guy wants an extra layer of safety, I say go for it.




Also: this thread isn't so 1982, it's so 2008, when Yeager was cool and gross and fine motor skills were serious topics of conversation, and everyone wanted guns that could be operated without pushing buttons other than the trigger.

 

[TW25B]

It's not always the trigger finger though... That one video I posted, the officers sweater got snagged in the trigger guard and boom....



Actually with a manual safety you can pull the trigger till the cows come home and no boom... A block physically falls between pin and hammer...

Poor wardrobe selection, poor manual of arms and he still pointed the gun at HIMSELF, violating a fundamental rule of firearms safety. Dumb people gonna be dumb.

TW25B