what do you think is the most versatile cartridge ever made?

chuck nelson said:
Recoil in a 7.5 lb rifle is fairly significant in a 300 Win Mag. Yes you can load it down, but you do it at the expense of Mag box space and if you are going to load it down use a 30-06. I guess my answer is, I’ve shot lots of game with both and I prefer the 30-06. I prefer the big 7’s if I’m going to go to a belted magnum.
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Please explain the reference to mag box space and reduced loads with regards to a 300WM?
And lets face it...it's scrubbing 100 to 200 fps, which is definitely felt, but not magic at the reload bench, or at the ammo counter.
When it comes to versatility, it is, by definition the ability to do more than one thing?
A 7 1/2 pound rifle, with lower recoil, and say a 10 pound or heavier, rifle in the same chambering, would be, well, versatile? As opposed to having a golf bag full of rifles. Which while may be the norm on this forum, certainly isn't factual in real life.
There are a few big 7's available, without the belt. They tend to be a wee bit better than the ones with.

R.
 
Rman said:
Since this has taken a hard left...an attempt will be made to redirect the conversation again.
Will all those in favour of a 30-06 please explain, in detail, how it is "better" than a 300WM with regards to versatility. Cartridge versatility as in the title of this thread, after all. Exclude the romance, and the first person that uses the word "venerable" should be hit upside the head with a chunk of wet moose hide, or better yet, a deer hoof...still attached to the lower leg.
The argument is straight forward. Both cases require long actions. All of the bullet weights are available. The 300WM can easily be loaded down to 30-06, but the 30-06 can't be loaded up to 300WM. So, is it that 30-06 guys lack the education, knowledge, and understanding to select anything better? Is it because their pa's shot it, and that's good enough? Is it because Phil Shoemaker, who has shot some bears with one, among other chamberings, is on a pedestal next to Jesus and Smith (not a slam against Phil, BTW, but when a feller's name gets used without his knowledge to further an argument, or agenda, it is in poor form, right?)? There aren't sig lines referring to the dozens of other cases he's used...so just wondering! Is it because it's available in specific model manufactured in places such as Portugal, a known mecca of precision machining, and Japan, among others? Is it like ordering a beer, and not knowing any better, and just saying "Canadian". There are more, but those should suffice.
Discuss away...

Back on track now?

R.
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Im no 30-06 lover but the fact is, its the post popular round for a reason. Preforms well without beating the shoulder and is cheaper to shoot compared to other cartridges. Not only that most hunters in North American are not reloader's so your point regarding down-loading is moot at most.

In saying that recoil is not an issue for me, so if i was hunting something very specific id take something bigger. Like my 338 WIN or 9.3x62.
 
dgradinaru said:
Im no 30-06 lover but the fact is, its the post popular round for a reason. Preforms well without beating the shoulder and is cheaper to shoot compared to other cartridges. Not only that most hunters in North American are not reloader's so your point regarding down-loading is moot at most.
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Why is it so popular? Is it because it's cheap? That does make a lot sense, actually.
Being a reloader isn't a factor. There is reduced recoil ammo available.

R.
 
Rman said:
Why is it so popular? Is it because it's cheap? That does make a lot sense, actually.
Being a reloader isn't a factor. There is reduced recoil ammo available.

R.
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Most people who start hunting typically look for a rifle that can handle most situations with out the recoil and breaking the bank hense why the 270 Win, 308 win, 30-06, 7MM Rem Mag get recommended a whole lot more.
Average box of 30-06 runs for 25$ for run of the mill cup and cores like federal, winchester, remington. The 300 Win mag on the other end runs approx 35$ for the same grade of box. Rifles with the name magnum tied to it tend to have higher price tags aswell.
The reduced loads tend to be available in big box stores. Go to walmart, canadian tire, or small general stores in northern Canada and finding a reduced load, most likely not going to to find it.
 
Rman said:
Since this has taken a hard left...an attempt will be made to redirect the conversation again.
Will all those in favour of a 30-06 please explain, in detail, how it is "better" than a 300WM with regards to versatility. Cartridge versatility as in the title of this thread, after all. Exclude the romance, and the first person that uses the word "venerable" should be hit upside the head with a chunk of wet moose hide, or better yet, a deer hoof...still attached to the lower leg.
The argument is straight forward. Both cases require long actions. All of the bullet weights are available. The 300WM can easily be loaded down to 30-06, but the 30-06 can't be loaded up to 300WM. So, is it that 30-06 guys lack the education, knowledge, and understanding to select anything better? Is it because their pa's shot it, and that's good enough? Is it because Phil Shoemaker, who has shot some bears with one, among other chamberings, is on a pedestal next to Jesus and Smith (not a slam against Phil, BTW, but when a feller's name gets used without his knowledge to further an argument, or agenda, it is in poor form, right?)? There aren't sig lines referring to the dozens of other cases he's used...so just wondering! Is it because it's available in specific model manufactured in places such as Portugal, a known mecca of precision machining, and Japan, among others? Is it like ordering a beer, and not knowing any better, and just saying "Canadian". There are more, but those should suffice.
Discuss away...

Back on track now?

R.
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The 30-06 is considered the top end of many people's recoil tolerance. If big bears are possible a 300 would be better.

Personally switch back and for between 06 and 300. But then i shoot big magnums, and tolerance isnt the issue.
 
Working is always a bit different, then not. Specifically when dealing with, on purpose, different matters of subject. ;)
There are more ways than enough to get 5 proper shells in a rifle, without having to resort to using a 30-06???

R.
 
This rifle holds 4 plus one belted magnums without drop boxes, dbm’s etc. 4 or 5 down gives me two for noise if I need them. :)

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Ardent said:
.30-06 sure makes it easier though doesn’t it. And in the matter of 6 1/2lb mountain rifles, it helps there too. Each has its place neither is better at everything.

If bigger was always better why is the .30-378 Wby not automatically better than the .300 Win?
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A 6.5 pound mountain rifle screams short action, not long, and if building or buying one, would a 30-06 get the first nod?
When talking versatility, that 6.5 pound rifle kinda goes the window as well.
Bigger certainly isn't better, especially when the comparison is a 30-06 to a 300WM?
You're not wrong on anything you have said, just to be clear. The intention was to have a discussion regarding versatility, for the average fellow. That isn't 6.5 pound mountain rifles, and 30-378's.

R.
 
Papaclaude said:
None, and you will notice that all my posts refer to black bears, not grizzlies. But again, all the people I know that had near-death encounters with wildlife all miraculously survived without even a scar. Now, several people I know had to dispose of nuisance bears trying to get into RV's, houses or cottages, but actual attacks? Never personally met anyone that had been attacked.

Please note, though, that never do I state bears are not or cannot be deadly. I simply asked the question - how many people does anyone here personally know that have suffered a bear attack (black, grizzly or polar) and have scars to show for it. Fairly simple question that should get a straightforward answer.

Now, Gatehouse, in his typical rectal style, states that he knows several people that have been attacked and suffered injuries. SO far, he is the only one, and based on past history, I strongly doubt that there is a Gospel according to Saint Gatehouse, so unless I am given facts to back up his claim, I will put it in the "highly doubtful" column, but not the "Fertilizer" column just yet.

Now, if bears (or any other wildlife, for that matter) pose such a real and credible threat that people should not be wandering into our forests unless armed to the teeth, surely to God it should be a fairly simple matter to find hard data to back it up. I have to admit that it is not something I spent a lot of time researching, but here in Ontario and Quebec, every animal attack gets a lot of press, and it is something that is reported maybe once or twice a year.
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I don't think you actually know what you are talking about, you certainly don't seem to have much knowledge about the topic. Certainly not enough to be calling me a liar.

I should point out that it's not just hunters that I know that have been beaten up by bears. The attacks were various- getting chomped while riding a mountain bike. Getting swatted while hiking, getting a full blown charge and mauling that resulted in serious injury and a couple of different attacks when sleeping in tents that also resulted in injury.

I have been stalked by bears, had to spray a few bears ( with results that varied from excellent to basically undeterred and it was lucky we made it back to the truck since both our cans of spray were exhausted.) A few years ago a grizzly kept advancing on me despite me yelling at him to let him know I was there. It wasn't until the wind changed and he got a full whiff of human that he decided to depart, and that was about when I was lining up on his head.

I'm like the other guys. Around bears all the time. Not scared of bears. Had lots of encounters and experience with bears, and every now and then you run into a bear that is an @$$hole. It's just one facet of the outdoors that people should be aware of. Most of my negative bear encounters are fairly unremarkable in that anyone that spends enough time creeping around in the bush have some experiences like this. Start talking to some Western hunting guides and they will all have plenty of stories.

Maybe you should stick to what you know about in bears in Ottawa.
 
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