What is a 'printed action' 'trued action'?

rpollock said:
I would be interested in hearing more about the BR match in Kamloops.
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Any and all of our 300M matches have F-Class, BR (Limited #'s as the BR shooters rotate on one Target) and TR shooting at the same time. I believe we are only one of a few that have BR shooting with F-Class and TR. I don't know if it is due to lack of interest around these parts that there are no set BR events or not, but we have a blast everytime there is a match here.

The BR shooters are for score, and not for group as the traditional BR is set up, on the same target as the F and TR shooters.

We also have a 50/50 Rimfire BR league at the Kamloops range who meet every 2nd Tuesday evening with both Sporter and Target classes.
 
CyaN1de said:
Any and all of our 300M matches have F-Class, BR (Limited #'s as the BR shooters rotate on one Target) and TR shooting at the same time. I believe we are only one of a few that have BR shooting with F-Class and TR. I don't know if it is due to lack of interest around these parts that there are no set BR events or not, but we have a blast everytime there is a match here.

The BR shooters are for score, and not for group as the traditional BR is set up, on the same target as the F and TR shooters.

We also have a 50/50 Rimfire BR league at the Kamloops range who meet every 2nd Tuesday evening with both Sporter and Target classes.
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Is this shot prone?
 
To be perfectly clear, BR class are for those shooting under the F class equipment rules and format (slow fire, each shot scored/marked) but OFF A BENCH. Some don't like or can't shoot prone.

The rest of us shoot either F class (prone w/ rests and scopes) or TR (prone with jackets, slings and open sights).

Same target, same format, same scoring...

You pick your poison and have some fun. As Obtunded, said - there is a serious focus on FUN!!!!!!

The winds are humbling enough :)

Jerry
 
Kodiak99317 said:
How many benches you got? And how many targets do ya' operate, say for the Frosty (5x500M I think), and for the 300M you just did? Richard? Jerry?
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Furthest we have right now with the Targets is 300m, we are looking to put in prone points at 500 and 600m.

At the moment we have 2 benches that we utilize during matches with a maximum of 5 or 6 Bench shooters. When the left bench is tearing down after their string, the next shooter is setting up on the other bench to best utilize the time.

5 Target frames right now with a 6th going in this year. 1 Target for the bench shooters and 4 targets for the prone shooters.
 
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mysticplayer said:
To be perfectly clear, BR class are for those shooting under the F class equipment rules and format (slow fire, each shot scored/marked) but OFF A BENCH. Some don't like or can't shoot prone.

The rest of us shoot either F class (prone w/ rests and scopes) or TR (prone with jackets, slings and open sights).

Same target, same format, same scoring...

You pick your poison and have some fun. As Obtunded, said - there is a serious focus on FUN!!!!!!

The winds are humbling enough :)

Jerry
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Here is another serious question. Do you guys understand that the matches you are holding are not BR?
 
rpollock said:
Here is another serious question. Do you guys understand that the matches you are holding are not BR?
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See my previous post regarding the fact that it's not a "Traditional" BR match as it is toted as F-Class Match but we let those who wish to shoot off a bench to do so as to maximize the FUN at our range for everyone who wants to participate.
 
And I know lots of guys that think your matches are a hoot now... GT, JW and his wife to name just a few... Nice clean btw Richard in match 2 Sat... congrats, only one shot out of what 21*3 .. 63 attempts that day by the 21 shooters there... way to go eh Looks like it was pretty tight too, 6 points separating 1st and 10th place.

Your frames are cantilever type or the straight up and down army style type?
 
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CyaN1de said:
See my previous post regarding the fact that it's not a "Traditional" BR match as it is toted as F-Class Match but we let those who wish to shoot off a bench to do so as to maximize the FUN at our range for everyone who wants to participate.
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I am just trying to figure out what you guys think a BR match is. I think these are fair questions since you made the invitation a few posts back to a BR match.
 
Go easy there Rick, they know that what they do is a fun local club thing and not sanctioned by any orgs (unless Bob Pitcairn does it for the BCRA T/R aka peep shooters as this is the only thing that counts true ISSF wise, the ISSF does not have a scoped class that I know of) so they do as they like and they have fun doing it and they try to accommodate all that they can and offer the bench as an alternate way of firing but it is basically a prone F match with most guys firing 6BR's on a 300M ISSF target (5 cm x, 10 cm 10 ring, etc) in pairs firing (I THINK) like T/R does. I Have not shot it myself, it could be string too for all I know.

Think of it as elevated F Class, shot off a bench ... and they call it their bench class.
 
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Kodiak99317 said:
Go easy there Rick, they know that what they do is a fun local club thing and not sanctioned by any orgs so they do as they like and they have fun doing it and they try to accommodate all that they can and offer the bench as an alternate way of firing but it is basically a prone F match with most guys firing 6BR's on a 300M ISSF target (5 cm x, 10 cm 10 ring, etc) in pairs firing (I THINK) like T/R does. I Have not shot it myself, it could be string too for all I know.

Think of it as elevated F Class, shot off a bench ... and they call it their bench class.
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I am going easy. Thing is Keith you know what they do is not BR, because you shoot BR and F class. People who don't have your experience and background would have not realize that there is a difference. I don't think it hurts to point out to any of the new shooters out there, that this is not BR. Trying to be helpful here.

Another serious question. If you want to have a BR shoot, why not hold a varmint for score shoot, which is traditional BR, and would actually be easier to hold than an f-class shoot? All you would need is a few more benches.
 
rpollock said:
Another serious question. If you want to have a BR shoot, why not hold a varmint for score shoot, which is traditional BR, and would actually be easier to hold than an f-class shoot? All you would need is a few more benches.
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We have one this coming Sunday as a matter of fact. 5 Shots at Paper gophers at 100, 200 and 300 with a 1 shot "Egg" shoot at 500 and no Sighters. And again, people are invited to shoot either prone or from a bench.

I do understand what a true Benchrest Match is but like I stated before that there is, for no particular reason, not enough interest around these parts to have sanctioned events. Good thing too, the last thing I need is another discipline to have to build another rifle for. F-Class is sucking enough money out of my bank account as it is :D

We have a Total of (I think) 10 benches. The 2 I mentioned earlier are at the extreme left of the shooting line, then we have the 5 prone platforms, then another 7 or 8 benches to the right of that.
 
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Kodiak99317 said:
And I know lots of guys that think your matches are a hoot now... GT, JW and his wife to name just a few... Nice clean btw Richard in match 2 Sat... congrats, only one shot out of what 21*3 .. 63 attempts that day by the 21 shooters there... way to go eh Looks like it was pretty tight too, 6 points separating 1st and 10th place.

Your frames are cantilever type or the straight up and down army style type?
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Thanks :D......and thanks for not bringing up Sunday ;)

We have Cantilever targets.

You should come out for the Farky in the Fall and experience the fun in person.
 
CyaN1de said:
We have one this coming Sunday as a matter of fact. 5 Shots at Paper gophers at 100, 200 and 300 with a 1 shot "Egg" shoot at 500 and no Sighters.

I do understand what a true Benchrest Match is but like I stated before that there is, for no particular reason, not enough interest around these parts to have sanctioned events. Good thing too, the last thing I need is another discipline to have to build another rifle for. F-Class is sucking enough money out of my bank account as it is :D
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Varmint For Score (VFS) in BR is not actually shooting at varmint style targets. It refers to the light varmint rifle class (max 10.5 lbs) and the heavy varmint rifle class (max 13.5 lbs) and is shot using score targets at 100/200/300 yards. You wouldn't have to follow the rule book if you are having informal fun matches. Just have one rule, anything you can lift on to the bench is legal. That should bring people out. Offers trophies for highest score, highest x counts, wipout count etc.

For further descriptions see here: http://www.international-benchrest.com/

BC used to be the hotbed of score shooting in the West and produced many excellent score shooters. This was Keiths specialty in years past, he can give you more ideas.
 
VFS is group guns LV and HV shooting score 6 bull targets, a sighter that you can go at any time in the lower right and the other 5 get 1 each and you are after the dot (approx. .16" and 100 yds) in the center of the target. The bigger cals get the advantage and it's best edge.

Hunter class (10 lb, 45g of water (30-30 capacity)) and Varmint Hunter (smaller cases cap allowed, 6PPC 6BR etc) class was the same game but had to make with a 6 power scope and that was the game I play.

The exception to the 6 bull target in the old days was a two bull for the 300 yd stage (smaller target frames vs the new 6 bull 300 yd the use today). The one was more like group shooting where you are move up and down for record to sighter. The targets are 1/2 moa targets at all yardages or 1/2" 10 ring at 100, 1" at 200, and 1 1/2 at 300. Here's an old 300 yd example.

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The big difference between US F Class with 1/2 moa 10 rings (I call it belly BR) and BR is that in BR, which is always shot off a bench, we bring our own flags, set our rifles up, go out in front of them and set flags with the shooter directing the flag setter and yardage changes take time, big time. Plus you get your targets at the end of the day. With F Class, 300 M to 600 yd is the short game. 800 to 1000 is the long. The DCRA targets which most PRAs use are bigger with a 1 moa V and and 2 moa 5 ring. All of these are score games. I have all the rifles exc. LV & HV but my FO out weights any I had and it would make IBS Light gun at 17 lbs, or I could go unlimited with the steel check pc. and a one pc rest... hum.... and I'm still playing the score game and lov'n it :)
 
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rpollock said:
Varmint For Score (VFS) in BR is not actually shooting at varmint style targets. It refers to the light varmint rifle class (max 10.5 lbs) and the heavy varmint rifle class (max 13.5 lbs) and is shot using score targets at 100/200/300 yards. You wouldn't have to follow the rule book if you are having informal fun matches. Just have one rule, anything you can lift on to the bench is legal. That should bring people out. Offers trophies for highest score, highest x counts, wipout count etc.

For further descriptions see here: http://www.international-benchrest.com/

BC used to be the hotbed of score shooting in the West and produced many excellent score shooters. This was Keiths specialty in years past, he can give you more ideas.
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Kodiak99317 said:
VFS is group guns LV and HV shooting score 6 bull targets, a sighter that you can go at any time in the lower right and the other 5 get 1 each and you are after the dot (approx. .16" and 100 yds) in the center of the target. The bigger cals get the advantage and it's best edge.

Hunter class (10 lb, 45g of water (30-30 capacity)) and Varmint Hunter (smaller cases cap allowed, 6PPC 6BR etc) class was the same game but had to make with a 6 power scope and that was the game I play.

The exception to the 6 bull target in the old days was a two bull for the 300 yd stage (smaller target frames vs the new 6 bull 300 yd the use today). The one was more like group shooting where you are move up and down for record to sighter. The targets are 1/2 moa targets at all yardages or 1/2" 10 ring at 100, 1" at 200, and 1 1/2 at 300. Here's an old 300 yd example.

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The big difference between US F Class with 1/2 10 rings (I call it belly BR) and BR is that in BR, which is always shot off a bench, we bring our own flags, set our rifles up, go out in front of them and set flags with the shooter directing the flag setter and yardage changes take time, big time. Plus you get your targets at the end of the day. With F Class, 300 M to 600 yd is the short game. 800 to 1000 is the long. The DCRA targets which most PRAs use are bigger with a 1 moa V and and 2 moa 5 ring. All of these are score games. I have all the rifles exc. LV & HV but my FO out weights any I had and it would make IBS Light gun at 17 lbs, or I could go unlimited with the steel check pc. and a one pc rest... hum.... and I'm still playing the score game and lov'n it :)
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See...I learned something new today. :D

Looks like an interesting game, there are many facets of this sport that I will probably not get to try or play on a regular basis due to facilities and/or interest by other parties.
I am planning on expanding my horizons this year with Vokes and Homestead shoots, I have yet to stretch my legs past 300M as I am still in my first year of shooting (My First Comp was July last year at the Sierra shoot) and have A LOT to learn.
 
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