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WRONG....To say that "pattern is controlled by choke only" Is just ill informed...There are a lot of things that come into play. Forcing Cones, Wad type, shell type etc. etc. and yes barrel length too. You should go back and read the whole post. After all you didn't "jump in" till page seven.
Wow, talk about a bunch of anal Nellies over on the old shotgun board here......take things in context or take a valium, I really don't care but this discussion wasn't about chokes, it was about barrel length and all other things being equal (the context part) that 2" of barrel difference would not impact pattern. But you all get a gold star for blowing things way out of proportion and for blowing your own horns about how smart you are and how much you know ....sheesh.
I was speaking in the context of the question and trying to help the poster out as this thread got so freaking derailed........not impress him with a bunch of facts that had nothing to do with the question....sheesh..... Velocity and pattern and their relationship to barrel length are misunderstood by many and I took the original question as a sincere and honest one that required a very simple answer. Sorry my simple answer didn't impress you all but in the context of what I told the original poster, my info was solid and more importantly.....on topic. I know that's unusual for this board and sorry to confuse you.
Before we have another round of look how smart I am....can any of you keep this discussion in context and tell me that all other things being equal, that 2" of barrel difference.....from 26-28" will make a noticeable pattern difference?????????????? If not....no lengthy Latin filled explainations please.......
BTW, you'll all get the an autographed picture of Michael McIntosh and an English/Latin dictionary too.......
Of course you are all right in what you say and it's no news to me but what the heck does it have to do with the original question???????????????????????????????????
Sometimes keeping things in context is important boys and girls......and the context here was 2" of barrel length......I don't recall the original poster taking about shooting different wads or shot out of the 26 and 28 inch barrels...he simply wanted to know the relationship between barrel length and pattern and velocity.......................
I was speaking in the context of the question and trying to help the poster out as this thread got so freaking derailed........not impress him with a bunch of facts that had nothing to do with the question....sheesh..... Velocity and pattern and their relationship to barrel length are misunderstood by many and I took the original question as a sincere and honest one that required a very simple answer. Sorry my simple answer didn't impress you all but in the context of what I told the original poster, my info was solid and more importantly.....on topic. I know that's unusual for this board and sorry to confuse you.
Before we have another round of look how smart I am....can any of you keep this discussion in context and tell me that all other things being equal, that 2" of barrel difference.....from 26-28" will make a noticeable pattern difference?????????????? If not....no lengthy Latin filled explainations please.......
BTW, you'll all get the an autographed picture of Michael McIntosh and an English/Latin dictionary too.......
Of course you are all right in what you say and it's no news to me but what the heck does it have to do with the original question???????????????????????????????????
Sometimes keeping things in context is important boys and girls......and the context here was 2" of barrel length......I don't recall the original poster taking about shooting different wads or shot out of the 26 and 28 inch barrels...he simply wanted to know the relationship between barrel length and pattern and velocity.......................
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Sorry but my Latin/English Dictionary is at the cleaners....
I read enough to know that yet another thread was being taken off into lala land by the look at how smart I am crowd and that a very simple and sincere question had not really been addressed with a simple answer. Truthfully, there was a bunch of drivel that I had no interest in reading.............
So to keep things in context, no, I didn't read all the diatribes posted here and my coments were aimed squarely at the original question.....sorry to confuse you.
Well, since the last remaining plank in your crumbling platform is based on your misinterpretation of the original question, here it is for you. (no latin or multisyllabic words to complicate matters.)
The poster clearly asks "what is the difference between 26" and 28" barrels". He doesn't ask about the effect on patterns between the two lengths, he simply goes on to give two examples of what he's talking about - patterns and range.
The correct answer would have been a list similar to the one I posted back at post #78. The whole discussion about range and/or patterns is ancillary to the subject, but legitimate because the OP brought them into the discussion himself. Nobody here would have got so detailed in the discussion of patterns, if you hadn't been so dismissive of other factors other than choke. Had you said "choke is one of the primary influences on patterns", you would have been right and there would be no need to expand on the subject because any reasonable person reading those words would understand that there are other significant factors. Nobody is being gratuitously intellectual. This is about providing accurate information because other people may base buying and other decisions on what they read here.
You are, no doubt, feeling set upon for expressing a commonly held opinion. It is not you we are questioning, it is the common, but inaccurate perception. No need to cling to the plank until it carries you over the falls. We don't think we know it all and we don't think you're an idiot. You speak intelligently and make logical arguments. We just happen to have studied the subject in greater detail. Since you haven't refuted any of the many examples of additional factors influencing patterns, it's safe to assume you can now see that there's more to it than chokes. Speaking for myself, I'm regularly embarrassed by my woefully inadequate knowledge of gun facts/science, so I would never hold myself up as an "expert" or a know-it-all.
Unless, of course, you define "expert" as:
ex = has-been (as in "Ex-husband)
spurt = drip under pressure
If that's your definition, then I guess it does describe me at times. Stay cool, sheephunter. Judging from your avatar, I'm sure you can teach us all something about sheep hunting (among other things) and I, for one, would like to think you'll share your knowledge with us and not let this thread pi$$ you off.
The poster clearly asks "what is the difference between 26" and 28" barrels". He doesn't ask about the effect on patterns between the two lengths, he simply goes on to give two examples of what he's talking about - patterns and range.
The correct answer would have been a list similar to the one I posted back at post #78. The whole discussion about range and/or patterns is ancillary to the subject, but legitimate because the OP brought them into the discussion himself. Nobody here would have got so detailed in the discussion of patterns, if you hadn't been so dismissive of other factors other than choke. Had you said "choke is one of the primary influences on patterns", you would have been right and there would be no need to expand on the subject because any reasonable person reading those words would understand that there are other significant factors. Nobody is being gratuitously intellectual. This is about providing accurate information because other people may base buying and other decisions on what they read here.
You are, no doubt, feeling set upon for expressing a commonly held opinion. It is not you we are questioning, it is the common, but inaccurate perception. No need to cling to the plank until it carries you over the falls. We don't think we know it all and we don't think you're an idiot. You speak intelligently and make logical arguments. We just happen to have studied the subject in greater detail. Since you haven't refuted any of the many examples of additional factors influencing patterns, it's safe to assume you can now see that there's more to it than chokes. Speaking for myself, I'm regularly embarrassed by my woefully inadequate knowledge of gun facts/science, so I would never hold myself up as an "expert" or a know-it-all.
Unless, of course, you define "expert" as:
ex = has-been (as in "Ex-husband)
spurt = drip under pressure
If that's your definition, then I guess it does describe me at times. Stay cool, sheephunter. Judging from your avatar, I'm sure you can teach us all something about sheep hunting (among other things) and I, for one, would like to think you'll share your knowledge with us and not let this thread pi$$ you off.
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HUH???????
When someone says......
I take it to mean that he is asking does a longer barrel shoot longer and offer a better pattern....thus comparing the pattern and velocity of a 26 to a 28 inch barrel.....thus asking about the effect on patterns between the two lengths. Am I'm missing something here?????
Holy crap....I've just entered the twighlight zone......
I had no intention to refute anything you said.....you are arguing with a guy that agrees with what you are saying, it's just not germane to the original question. And, I've never indicate anything different and you even agreesd that the one point I was trying to make with the proviso (all things being equal) was correct.......
There is no arguement here unless you disagree that 2" of barrel between 26" and 28" will have an insignificant impact on velocity or pattern....all other things being equal.
Man, you need to slow down and absord the original question.........there's a danger in looking for zebras in a herd of horses!
WOW!!!!!
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Now I know what you mean by "drivel"HUH???????
When someone says......
I take it to mean that he is asking does a longer barrel shoot longer and offer a better pattern....thus comparing the pattern and velocity of a 26 to a 28 inch barrel.....thus asking about the effect on patterns between the two lengths. Am I'm missing something here?????
Holy crap....I've just entered the twighlight zone......
I had no intention to refute anything you said.....you are arguing with a guy that agrees with what you are saying, it's just not germane to the original question. And, I've never indicate anything different and you even agreesd that the one point I was trying to make with the proviso (all things being equal) was correct.......
There is no arguement here unless you disagree that 2" of barrel between 26" and 28" will have an insignificant impact on velocity or pattern....all other things being equal.
Man, you need to slow down and absord the original question.........there's a danger in looking for zebras in a herd of horses!
WOW!!!!!
Whoops... ...swept over the falls.
Oh well, happens to lots of good men.
No problem......I'll throw a rope down to you and help you back up.....
No problem......I'll throw a rope down to you and help you back up.....
You really do get confused by written english!!
Still, it will be interesting to see how you throw a rope DOWN from the bottom of the falls.
Apparently not as much as you....
You finally figure out what the original question was? No shame in saying you misread it.............
Next post is yours because I can tell how desperate you are to have the last word.........
I'm done with this nonsense......
Cougar I hope you got your question answered.....but I seriously doubt it.......
From the way I read your question, my answer is that the 2" between 26 and inches will not give you any tighter pattern or any more range.....other's mileage may vary.....
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