What would you pay for legal full cap AR15 magazines?

Okay, I have one last question (for now)...

Like I asked in a previous post, I just want to know if this is plausible:

If someone ordered 100 Remington 7615 30rd magazines (manufactured AS 7615 mags from company X) at a cost of $1500, had one submitted to the RCMP and it was then declared a prohibited device. If that person had a pre order list of 500 units (no funds collected yet) to show the intent and interest of the market, and therefore a projected immediate profit of $XX,XX.XX, could that person sue the RCMP for their costs ($1500) and expected loss of profit based on their deliberate and wrongful classification of the magazine?

I just want to know if that is a legit cause to sue. I know the RCMP have bottomless pockets, expert witnesses, would probably win, and even if they lost would appeal until that person ran out of money.... but could you at least get them to court?
 
For starters, the mag would be prohibited as there as no such thing as a 7615P magazine. The RCMP has determined that the 7615P was designed to use AR15 magazines, so any magazine built for it is an AR15 magazine.

As for sueing the RCMP, you can't sue them for your own stupidity. Why would you import a bunch of stuff with out making sure it was legal?

I think I'll import 100 UZI's and then sue the RCMP when they reject them at the border.
 
Who said import? I said order.

And can there not be such a thing as a bolt action ar15 style mag?

There's AR semi auto rifle mags - 5 rounds
There's AR pistol mags - 10 rounds
Why no AR bolt action style mags? - 30 rounds

An AR15 mag built specifically for a bolt action gun is still a bolt action gun magazine, no?

The beretta storm issue has proven that two otherwise identical mags can be manufacturered for different styles of firearms merely by a name and stamp on them...

And how can you know if a new magazine is legal without sending one in for review...???
 
mopar guy said:
Why no AR bolt action style mags? - 30 rounds
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Simple, Ar15 magazines are limited to 5 rounds. Now, if some one built a Pajama Jam 2000X Tactical Sniper Hunter™ bolt action .223 rifle and made some magazines for it, they would be unlimited capacity regardless of what else they fit in.

An AR15 mag built specifically for a bolt action gun is still a bolt action gun magazine, no?
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You just said it is an AR15 mag. You just identified it as an AR15 mag therefore it would be limited to 5 rounds. Are you starting to understand?

Please, read the entire thread and you will see that what you are suggesting is the exact frickin' thing we are discussing. This thread really isn't as long as you would expect, its just two pages of the same thing over and over and over. I explain the idea, a few people discuss it, and then guys like you that are too lazy to read the whole thread post asking what is up and then it starts all over again.

:rolleyes:
 
Armedsask said:
You just said it is an AR15 mag. You just identified it as an AR15 mag therefore it would be limited to 5 rounds. Are you starting to understand?

Please, read the entire thread and you will see that what you are suggesting is the exact frickin' thing we are discussing. This thread really isn't as long as you would expect, its just two pages of the same thing over and over and over. I explain the idea, a few people discuss it, and then guys like you that are too lazy to read the whole thread post asking what is up and then it starts all over again.

:rolleyes:
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Wow, sorry to have disturbed you GOD. Maybe I have read the whole thread. Why don't you lose the attitude and actually read my question before spouting off stupid remarks.

There is no such thing as a plane old AR15 mag. An AR15 mag is not limited to 5 rounds. There are DIFFERENT VARIETIES of AR15's.

There are AR15 SEMI AUTOMATIC RIFLE MAGS limited to 5 rounds
and
There are AR15 PISTOL MAGS limited to 10 rounds

Can you see the difference? Are you starting to understand now?

Right there we can see that the words that come right after AR15 are the ones that distinguish it for what it is.

My question was why can't there be an AR15 bolt action mag. If you don't know other than "AR15 mags have to have 5 rounds", feel free to STFU!
 
And sorry to everyone else. I don't like to lose my temper, and the last thing I want to do is start a flame war, but I don't like being treated like an idiot or called lazy...
 
Is that it? The RCMP said yes we can have semi auto mags, yes we can have pistol mags, then at a whim said no we cannot have bolt action mags for AR15's? That's essentially it... All I've read in the 30 pages is "the 7615 uses AR15 mags so they're limited to 5"
 
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mopar guy said:
Wow, sorry to have disturbed you GOD
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My question was why can't there be an AR15 bolt action mag.
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1) Armed is a bit gruff - but he's done visibly more for the firearms community than you have, so listen up.

2) The rcmp will not approve a 30-round mag that fits into an AR. Others, including businesses, have tried it. Feel free to try to import some and sue everyone you can when they're confiscated. Plan on about $250K to take it to the supreme court. Give or take.

They _might_ approve a 30-round pump or bolt mag that won't fit an AR. If you can then modify your AR to fit the unmodified mags, you're good to go.

The text of the regulation: http://www.canlii.org/ca/regu/sor98-462/part83011.html

Parse it out as you like, but understand that the answers you're getting here are accurate.
 
Also the ten round "AR15" mags aren't. They are Rock River Arms 10 round Mags specifically designed to fit the LAR 15 .223 pistol. It is just a large coinicidence that they fit AR15's
There is only oine type of AR15 mag and that is an AR15 mag, being 5, 10 , 15, 20, or 30 dosen't matter. IF any new bolt, lever, pump or whatever is designed to take AR15 mags then they are limited to 5 rounds.
YMMV:)
 
Sorry if I was a bit short but I get tired of explaining it over and over again.

I understand your train of thought, and using logic it might work. Sadly the firearm laws never use logic. The only reason the AR15 ten rounders came about is because they aren't AR15 magazines. They are LAR15 pistol mags, that is why they can have 10 rounds. A semi-auto pistol mag can have 10 rounds.

Now if you make a magazine for a bolt gun and it fits, unmodified, into an AR15, it seems the RCMP has decided that makes it an AR15 magazine, regardless of what it goes in. We might be able to fight it in court but that's expensive.

This is why the general consensus is that we must make a magazine that WILL NOT fit an AR15 with out modifying the rifle.

Armed is a bit gruff - but he's done visibly more for the firearms community than you have, so listen up.
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All I did was build a basic, uninspired rifle. Give me a year though and I'll live up to the praise.

Well, I guess I did blow the lid off the Liberal non-support of the proposed handgun ban back during the election, but thats another story. ;)
 
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Why not desing a bolt/pump action rifle that does not accept ar-15 mags but, the same mags will fit into an ar-15. (Same idea as for the pistol mags). Contrary to the remington 7615 case, the RCMP cannot say that the rifle is using ar-15 mags. As a matter of fact, these would not be ar-15 mag but they would still fit into any ar-15 type of rifle. Why climb the wall when you can go around.

I made a small drawing to illustrate what i am saying. Of course, nothing is to scale it is only the idea.

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Everybody, feel free to use my idea, let say that would be my contribution to the cause...

Memnoch
 
Memnoch said:
Why not desing a bolt/pump action rifle that does not accept ar-15 mags but, the same mags will fit into an ar-15.

Memnoch
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You know, that's actually not a bad idea. I never thought of doing it the other way around. The only problem is I don't know where you would put the recess with out making the magazine body bigger, thus making it not fit and AR15.

I still think that it would be much easier to pass if the magazine WILL NOT fit in an unmodified AR15. That way there can be no doubt that it is not an AR15 magazine. In my view, this is the more sure way, less chance of RCMP shenanigans. I can just see them saying, "Does it fit in an AR15? Well then it's an AR15 magazine." This is not to say your idea might not work, I just see it as more of a risky way to do it.

Man, I love vague laws. :rolleyes:
 
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A small bump approx 1 or 2mm. the lenght of the mag would make it. Look at a loaded mag, there is room. It does not need to be big, just enought that a regular ar-15 mag would not fit the Pump action rifle. The thing, i think, is that most people wont be happy about having to "Dremmel" a rifle that they paid around 1500$. Personally, i am not sure about it.

What i like about my idea is that you dont have to modify your rifle.

Mem
 
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