What would you use?

enefgee said:
Yup, just a range gun - can't do anything decent with those

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ2POHYj33E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsTim6Qp3xQ

some of the folks in those videos do this for a living, of course you can do way better in the woods, without instruction.



OP - premium quality AR, killer price

http://www.armseast.com/store/ar15_rifles/bcm_recce_14_rifle/
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Lol shooting paper at like 25 yards XD !! yup I stand by what I said even stronger now ... very nice AR's though!

for a SHTF rifle, its best to use non restricted. That way you'll know how it runs covered in snow, dirt, dust, water, how it handles extreme cold, extreme heat, how it shoots in different crosswinds, drops at very long ranges, how comfy it is to carry for tens of kilometers, how effective it is a killing animals for food etc. .... all of this is something you wont "legally" be able to test with an AR in Canada.
 
Ix said:
Another vote for DDMK18, mine has a T1 and M3X but I tought of going all AA for SHTF (M4S or TA02 and WL1AA).

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Nice setup, I've got the same CRKT Chogan, how do you like it? I was super impressed by how nice it feels in hand, makes me want one of the more pricey RMJ hawks or at least the Kangee version with the spike. Now that I think about it I've got a MK18 and Sig 226 too haha you've got good taste my friend!
 
like it enough to be considering the pointy one too, that way I can be a respectable dual axe weilding tactical gnome when I run out of ammo comes Ragnarok :D
 
Running a gun fast and hard pushes the gun's and your limit. When clearing malfunctions under pressure makes u learn the gun. Training class and run completion is the best money you'd ever spend instead of just buying gears. More u shoot the better understanding of what u need or don't need. U can learn hunting and competitive and combat shoot together. It's just gonna make u a better shooter. U don't have to pick one and sacrifice others. Even airsoft helps. Trigger time is trigger time.
 
Death said:
Here's my main rifle / SHTF gun

Aero upper and lower. Rainier SS 14.5 barrel and Rainier BCG. ALG trigger
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"That's a nice gun I think I will keep it", Last words you will hear after the #### hits the fan. IF it ever does... In the mean time it's a good way to separate people from there money.
 
warrenlikesboats said:
Get something non restricted..... that way you can use it outside in the real world were it actually matters and learn it well. The only thing you'll learn from an AR in Canada is how to pamper it, slap useless #### all over it and firing it in a cozy indoor 50yrd shooting range.
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That's what I never understood, the SHTF craze is producing a lot of tacticool type guns that are a joke for survival, lasers, and red dots, what happens when the battery dies... Garbage, what happens when you need a part after the SHTF, just call the SHTF store and they will have all kinds of parts. Not gonna be doing any spec ops after the #### hits the fan.
 
warrenlikesboats said:
Lol shooting paper at like 25 yards XD !! yup I stand by what I said even stronger now ... very nice AR's though!

for a SHTF rifle, its best to use non restricted. That way you'll know how it runs covered in snow, dirt, dust, water, how it handles extreme cold, extreme heat, how it shoots in different crosswinds, drops at very long ranges, how comfy it is to carry for tens of kilometers, how effective it is a killing animals for food etc. .... all of this is something you wont "legally" be able to test with an AR in Canada.
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Unless you join the army.
 
warrenlikesboats said:
Get something non restricted..... that way you can use it outside in the real world were it actually matters and learn it well. The only thing you'll learn from an AR in Canada is how to pamper it, slap useless #### all over it and firing it in a cozy indoor 50yrd shooting range.
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Exactly. Don't get me wrong I like AR's. But I would never buy one. There are $700 bolt actions that make much better and more accurate bench queens. If I can't shoot a gun in my backyard it's useless.
 
Chago said:
Exactly. Don't get me wrong I like AR's. But I would never buy one. There are $700 bolt actions that make much better and more accurate bench queens. If I can't shoot a gun in my backyard it's useless.
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My sentiments exactly, I think some people just don't think a bolt action is cool enough for survival. Bolt action is like cheating when hunting for food. Small caliber Ar not much good on large game, Large game means more food per bullet.

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This is a better choice, you will find more of these anywhere, and lots of ammo everywhere. more reliable.
 
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Honestly if a guy has the urge to shoot an AR, a bolt action is never going to truly satisfy it. It's like comparing apples to oranges, if you want to sit at a bench and shoot groups for accuracy at distance or hunt big game obviously a bolt action is a better choice. If you feel like being tacticool or want a gun best suited for defending your family from two legged game you can't beat an AR for ergonomics, ease of use, aftermarket part availability and all round badassery. Even for stuff like 3 gun, a bolt action has its purpose but it is far from being a replacement for a good quality AR.

Now if you had an AR in 5.56 and were thinking about say a Nemo Arms Omen in .300 Win Mag that's a different animal altogether haha, that or an HK MR762 and you've got the best of both worlds at your fingertips.
 
YosemiteSam said:
If you feel like being tacticool or want a gun best suited for defending your family from two legged game you can't beat an AR for ergonomics, ease of use, aftermarket part availability and all round badassery.
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I can beat an AR in home defense of my family with a shotgun, IDGAF about ergonomics, last thing I am worrying about when protecting anything is carpel tunnel syndrome. There will be no more parts for your AR after the SHTF, they will be hoarded and traded for flesh when all the tacticool AR prepper guns quit working.
 
Quit working? Why would they do that? Most people with ARs keep an array of small parts(springs, bolts, extractors) just because they're so cheap and plentiful it doesn't make sense not too. Having said that they rarely need to use them, a good AR just works. They work in combat zones around the world in harsher conditions then would be found unless an extremely extended period of SHTF occurred and even then how often are you realistically going to need it to defend yourself? It's not a single use item... Any gun can have a catastrophic failure and parts for any gun would be hard to find in SHTF. Hell if you use an 870 and had an extractor break it would be useless.

Shotguns work quite well for home defense I agree, but not so well that they're the best choice for every situation and enough to discount an AR completely. The fact they're non-restricted is nice being up here, but being able to have loaded LAR pistol mags right beside your AR in a safe makes it just about as quick to access and gives you way more firepower god forbid you ever need it(two LAR mags with coupler gives you 20 rounds in one package). The right ammo in an Ar penetrates less than 00 buck or any pistol cartridge in a home.

You obviously have a bias against them for some reason, but regardless of what you think they are the best tool for certain situations. Which is why they are used so extensively, when sh!t does hit the fan ask people that carry a gun for a living what they'd choose to bring with them. I'll bet you the vast majority would say an AR.
 
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the OP is asking for suggestion on SHTF SBR in the black rifle section guys, maybe you could keep that in mind... Just a tought. There is a place to talk about bolt action, shotguns, SKS or whatever on CGN, but this ain't it.

in this case I think an AR is hard to beat, I'd pick my MK18 before my ACR for CQB SHTF scenario everytime if I have a choice.
And as some of you guys mentionned; if ever I need parts I've got a good chance to find AR parts easier than ACR or XCR, Tavor etc. that's what our military use, and that's what most police and security use. There is a lot of them out there. Same can be said for ammo, pretty sure there is more 223/556 than 7.62x39 out there for the same reason.
As for red dots and flashlight, that's why I consider AA powered devices better in the OP specific purpose, you can find them everywhere. Although a T1 with the KAC x2 battery cap gives you about 16 years of constant on so who cares really, if I run out in 25 years I still got the KAC 600m BUIS anyway, and I like shooting with them as much as the T1 honestly.
 
I happen to have had the pleasure of carrying an AR, and I do own one. I don't have little springs and parts laying around anywhere, I shouldn't need any parts, I have no Blas against them, not sure why penetration matters as long as it penetrates, pretty sure it is also illegal to keep loaded mags in your safe next to your restricted rifle. Not much good if it is in a safe to begin with, which my non restricted shotgun need not be. A simple 3 digit trigger lock one digit away from being open and I am 20 seconds ahead of you at least, seconds count when it's time. If you can train on a AR sure you can use it CQB, but lets face it most never take it that far, I can tell you a .223 may not stop your perp, but a chest full of 00 they will be on the floor. Plus I can put any kind of shot for most types of game, including deer, and moose. AR is a one trick pony with your average Joe running it, things to fail on an AR platform? Operator
ammo mags extractor proper lubrication those would be the most common causes of failures. then further down the line would be Springs Pins Gas issues, charging handle latch PIN, The damn BCG, bolts break as well, firing pin. Any of this stuff breaks your AR is useless Gear is great, but training is the key. Ar's are cool but they are not survival guns
 
Definitely can keep loaded mags in a safe beside your restricted guns, I'd say it's the main reason for having a safe unless you have kids. Making it just as quick (4 buttons on my safe for instance) as grabbing a shotgun with a trigger lock. It would still be my pick over anything else for home defense, any day and everyday. I feel more comfortable moving around with my 10.3" or 14.5" M4's then with even a pistol, and trust a chest full of 5.56 as much as anything else at CQB distances, but that's just me. I also keep a Mossberg 12g right beside my safe (with trigger lock) and would trust it just as much as any of my other go to guns in a pinch.

I mention penetration for people worried about kids/family in other rooms or even neighbors, I guess over-penetration would have more appropriate though. A good quality AR is going to run as well and as long as any other well made, well maintained gun.
 
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Don't start adding crap just because you have free rail space. Build a quality gun with a quality optic and call it done. Everything else just adds weight that will do nothing but hinder your shooting.

If you're the kinda of fella that thinks you need a SHTF rifle, then buy a flashlight with a QD mount and keep it in the case.
 
Remisteel said:
I happen to have had the pleasure of carrying an AR, and I do own one. I don't have little springs and parts laying around anywhere, I shouldn't need any parts, I have no Blas against them, not sure why penetration matters as long as it penetrates, pretty sure it is also illegal to keep loaded mags in your safe next to your restricted rifle. Not much good if it is in a safe to begin with, which my non restricted shotgun need not be. A simple 3 digit trigger lock one digit away from being open and I am 20 seconds ahead of you at least, seconds count when it's time. If you can train on a AR sure you can use it CQB, but lets face it most never take it that far, I can tell you a .223 may not stop your perp, but a chest full of 00 they will be on the floor. Plus I can put any kind of shot for most types of game, including deer, and moose. AR is a one trick pony with your average Joe running it, things to fail on an AR platform? Operator
ammo mags extractor proper lubrication those would be the most common causes of failures. then further down the line would be Springs Pins Gas issues, charging handle latch PIN, The damn BCG, bolts break as well, firing pin. Any of this stuff breaks your AR is useless Gear is great, but training is the key. Ar's are cool but they are not survival guns
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Your argument is so disjointed and assinine, that it does not even warrant a response.f:P:
 
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