No they didnt. They told Wanstalls they will authorize Wanstalls to sell at the presale price and told them North Stlva would supply the rifles. They never said they would take the loss.
What's the latest on the M+M M10X?
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No they didnt. They told Wanstalls they will authorize Wanstalls to sell at the presale price and told them North Stlva would supply the rifles. They never said they would take the loss.
It’s funny because the only viable market right now is the Canadian market. Only problem is most people can’t afford a 2000+ dollar rifle right now as the economy is in the dumpster. Even if gun sales are strong in the Canadian market the people can only sustain what they can afford. Think of it like Mc Donald’s selling a billion hamburgers for a couple cents profit vs trying to pass the product off as a premium good and selling a smaller amount. That’s why the dollar menus keep them in business. Regardless of if I buy this rifle of not there is definitely some strong feelings that could have easily been avoided.
So for over a year they have been trying to #### CanAm over, the ones that did all the leg work into bringing it in. Its understandable that you are defending them, you guys make money of the items they have exclusivity over. Just for someone leaving a negative comment after all this is nothing to be ashamed of. Asking admins to delete and clean up threads where people criticized the way this played out, now that's something to be ashamed of.
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They have been talking to M+M for over a year and M+M has a rep company in Canada that handles sales etc.
So the Cdn "rep" company sat back and watched M+M continually lie and deceive the Cdn public over and over as well as ruin M+M's chance at a greatly successful launch of a new NR rifle in Canada ?
They never once stood up and interveined nor said anything to M+M about the unscrupulous business practices
One thing is for sure , I wouldn't want said "rep" company reppin sh*t for my company
They have been talking to M+M for over a year and M+M has a rep company in Canada that handles sales etc.
So the Cdn "rep" company sat back and watched M+M continually lie and deceive the Cdn public over and over as well as ruin M+M's chance at a greatly successful launch of a new NR rifle in Canada ?
They never once stood up and interveined nor said anything to M+M about the unscrupulous business practices
One thing is for sure , I wouldn't want said "rep" company reppin sh*t for my company
Ryan,
I like your company and respect you immensely. Lots of good dealing with you over the years, but the days of "trust me, over here behind the black curtain alongside the cadbury secret is the real story, that if you knew it, you would love every company involved and buy THREE M10X rifles" are long, long gone.
NS or M&M could fix their reputation (or destroy it) in a heartbeat if they released that story with some proof that it's true (e-mails, contracts, etc.)
Right now, it smells like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck. I'm thinking it might be waterfowl.
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So....Mickey Mouse for the last year was working on having NS be the distributor, yet failed to let Wanstalls or Canada Ammo know that? Oh i'm sure Canada Ammo would have LOVED to know that after all their work to bring the m10x into canada they would have to buy them from a 3rd party distributor like NS who basically receives a product then turns around and sells it to them for a 30% markup...
The same Mickey Mouse who assured us after the Wanstalls Fiasco started that it was just a misunderstanding, who the day Canadian MSRP was released raised the US MSRP to match the new price, who wrote in Crayon "DMR" all over anything in the description and believed we're gullible enough to fall for it, whos day to day social media posts read like a multiple personality PR person got ahold of the smart phone? Sure man, we believe you....
#### M+M, #### NS, #### all yall!!
I guess if my lively-hood depended on selling NS products and i had to swallow my pride to keep dealing with them and M+M, id be doing the "spin spin baby!" dance right now...but i dont, nor do i NEED to have this or any other HOBBY in my life, so i, and from what i gather, a fair lot of other people are choosing to vote with their wallets...with a resounding, "Not if you paid me!"
The same Mickey Mouse who assured us after the Wanstalls Fiasco started that it was just a misunderstanding, who the day Canadian MSRP was released raised the US MSRP to match the new price, who wrote in Crayon "DMR" all over anything in the description and believed we're gullible enough to fall for it, whos day to day social media posts read like a multiple personality PR person got ahold of the smart phone? Sure man, we believe you....
#### M+M, #### NS, #### all yall!!
I guess if my lively-hood depended on selling NS products and i had to swallow my pride to keep dealing with them and M+M, id be doing the "spin spin baby!" dance right now...but i dont, nor do i NEED to have this or any other HOBBY in my life, so i, and from what i gather, a fair lot of other people are choosing to vote with their wallets...with a resounding, "Not if you paid me!"
Sounds about right. Every sponsor that jumps on this bandwagon looks foolish to me. Just my opinion of course. Much respect to Canada ammo for calling a spade a spade and washing their hands of this rifle. The rest won’t see my money.
Not directed at you Big Robb , just a generalized comment.
Unfortunately not all feel the same as you and I. Principal and pride keep me away from this rifle and company due to what went down.
The thing is somebody is buying them @ $2000 a pop according to the pre-sale sales #'s I see.
It's a real shame that the buying public b**ch and moan but still support these underhanded back door SHENANIGANS by still buying the rifle ......
Yeah, basically all NS does is import products and charge a minimum 30% (much higher for some products) margin to do absolutely nothing but middleman, they can barely handle a warranty claim. Dealers make usually ~20% for doing all the work and customer service and NS collects a cheque because of old boys agreements. The Canadian consumer foots the bill.
Wanstalls made a mistake with what they believed was the pricing structure. They started the pre-sale with the only belief that they would get direct distribution pricing from M+M, but no actual price was provided.
M+M came out from the very beginning stating they had NOT set the Canadian MSRP. That led to the post by M+M that you posted earlier. The Wanstalls pre-order price was lower than the US MSRP at that time. M+M basically gave Wanstalls the green light to sell their rifles for below Manufacturer Approved Pricing, in order to keep the pre-orders... but told Wanstalls to go through North Sylva to get them... meaning Wanstalls would eat the loss.
I posted this rough timeline previously of what went down:
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