Whats with all the threads about getting 10 rounds into your SKS?

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Whether or not your original mag is pinned to 5 rounds or not, it will still hold 10 rounds no problem. Due to the nature of the design of the magazine, 10 rounds fits in the space that is the inner wall of the magazine. By keeping the floorplate open, and just keeping the rounds from falling out by holding it up with your hand, you can easily load 10 rounds through the top of the rifle. Once you fire the 5th round, the magazine will have the clearance available to latch shut.

This is, (afaik) completely legal as long as there's nothing like a rubber band or other device holding the magazine for you. It also means that there's no need to modify the receiver/magwell to fit an adapter to accept a pistol magazine or another magazine intended for a bolt-action rifle.

So why all the fuss about modifying? As far as I'm concerned, We're lucky that the original design of the SKS is able to circumvent the magazine capacity limits just in its own original, stock form.
 
Hard to do a quick mag change when your holding half the rounds in your hand. Im just sayin...

Its also very hard to shoot the gun in anything but a straight position if your 2nd hand has to stay on the mag...
 
Because if the SKS is modified to accept the 10rd pistol mags and is a 100% legal setup you don't have to put your fingers or your johnson inside your magazine while you are shooting. That sounds like something that is unsafe and probably not legal as well. You still have 10rds in a mag pinned to 5, so I would look deeper into what you are saying.

A permanent and legal 10rd setup vs an unsafe one and possibly illegal... you be the judge.
 
Knottybuoy said:
Whether or not your original mag is pinned to 5 rounds or not, it will still hold 10 rounds no problem. Due to the nature of the design of the magazine, 10 rounds fits in the space that is the inner wall of the magazine. By keeping the floorplate open, and just keeping the rounds from falling out by holding it up with your hand, you can easily load 10 rounds through the top of the rifle. Once you fire the 5th round, the magazine will have the clearance available to latch shut.

This is, (afaik) completely legal as long as there's nothing like a rubber band or other device holding the magazine for you.
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You just finished saying that the magazine "will still hold 10 rounds no problem". Well, the law doesn't just require that the magazine needs to be pinned to 5 rounds. It says that any magazine that holds more than 5 rounds is prohibited (centerfire, semi-autos). So it either holds 10 rounds and is prohibited, or it doesn't & isn't prohibited.

Bottom line: If you find a way for a pinned magazine to hold more than 5 rounds, its still prohibited.

3. (1) Any cartridge magazine

(a) that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in

(ii) a semi-automatic firearm other than a semi-automatic handgun,
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I don't see how you're holding half the rounds in your hand, they're all in the magazine? And you can still loda 10 rounds via strippers as long as youre cupping the magazine floorplate.

I guess that this is a matter of personal fit. My left had is always more comfortable right around the magazine anyway, and I dont have any problems shooting straight.

As a disclaimer, I haven't tried this yet during live firing, But I plan to sometime this coming week.
 
You are describing something that is illegal and downright unsafe, so I suggest you erase it soon. I seriously doubt it will work anyway. I am sure you can load 5, shoot them, then load 5 more with stripper clips just as fast as whatever you are talking about. Seriously, if you are good with stripper clips, you can almost load as fast as changing a mag on a VZ58.

If you want 10 in an sks legally, you must modify it to accept the pistol mag, period. This is why there are so many threads about it. Do you understand now?
 
st1264 said:
You are describing something that is illegal and downright unsafe, so I suggest you erase it soon. I seriously doubt it will work anyway. I am sure you can load 5, shoot them, then load 5 more with stripper clips just as fast as whatever you are talking about. Seriously, if you are good with stripper clips, you can almost load as fast as changing a mag on a VZ58.

If you want 10 in an sks legally, you must modify it to accept the pistol mag, period. This is why there are so many threads about it. Do you understand now?
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Can you describe to me just how that is illegal? The magazine is pinned to 5 rounds. It is not modified in any way. Sounds perfectly legal to me.

I can assure you that it is certainly not unsafe, either. It may be an issue of how you personally fit your SKS. In my case, my arms are of the ideal length. I can maintain a firm grip with both hands, and I lose no muzzle control.
 
Make a video and post it, I want to see this. You are circumventing the 5 round rule by keeping the magazine open when firing. Your hands may be considered a tool made to alter it, not permanently but for the purpose to circumvent the law. Maybe the cops will arrest you and you can prove how legal it is to them.

It just sounds stupid to me. I am sure I can shoot 5 rounds and load another 5 with clips faster than you can do whatever you have planned. Post a video and let us know how viable and legal it is.
 
st1264 said:
Make a video and post it, I want to see this. You are circumventing the 5 round rule by keeping the magazine open when firing. Your hands may be considered a tool made to alter it, not permanently but for the purpose to circumvent the law. Maybe the cops will arrest you and you can prove how legal it is to them.

It just sounds stupid to me. I am sure I can shoot 5 rounds and load another 5 with clips faster than you can do whatever you have planned. Post a video and let us know how viable and legal it is.
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In order to convict me of possession of a prohibited device, correct me if I'm wrong, the police/crown would have to produce, in court, a prohibited device, no? This would mean an UNPINNED SKS magazine, no? I find it hard to believe that someone could be convicted of possessing an SKS magazine that is pinned to 5 rounds, don't you?

Miriam-Webster's definition of "tool"

Definition of TOOL
1
a : a handheld device that aids in accomplishing a task
b (1) : the cutting or shaping part in a machine or machine tool (2) : a machine for shaping metal : machine tool
2
a : something (as an instrument or apparatus) used in performing an operation or necessary in the practice of a vocation or profession <a scholar's books are his tools>
b : an element of a computer program (as a graphics application) that activates and controls a particular function <a drawing tool>
c : a means to an end <a book's cover can be a marketing tool>
d often vulgar : #####
3
: one that is used or manipulated by another
4
plural : natural ability <has all the tools to be a great pitcher>

"your hands" are not tools.
 
Your question to your thread title was answered already. Don't want to argue about this stupid idea you have. Make sure you try it before you disclose it's virtues. It puts you in an awkward position in firing and appears to be unsafe... Have fun, sir.
 
st1264 said:
Your question to your thread title was answered already. Don't want to argue about this stupid idea you have. Make sure you try it before you disclose it's virtues. It puts you in an awkward position in firing and appears to be unsafe... Have fun, sir.
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Who's arguing? I'm merely engaging in a discussion about why there are so many threads on this topic when it can involve no modifications whatsoever.

I can see the firing position being akward if your SKS has the original stock. Mine is in a Tapco stock, and my personal build is the perfect size for this. While this may not be the case for you, I can certainly articulate my point without resorting to insults. If you have nothing intelligent to add to the discussion, or don't agree, feel free to ignore this thread.
 
i thought the illegal part was when you are in posession of a prohibited magazine? i don't see anything illegal about going around the law. kinda like my 10 round xrc pistol mags.

Don't mind the hate. some people are just downers. i think its an awesome idea.
 
Knottybuoy said:
Can you describe to me just how that is illegal? The magazine is pinned to 5 rounds. It is not modified in any way. Sounds perfectly legal to me.

I can assure you that it is certainly not unsafe, either. It may be an issue of how you personally fit your SKS. In my case, my arms are of the ideal length. I can maintain a firm grip with both hands, and I lose no muzzle control.
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The magazine is designed to be latched shut. Regardless of whether you use an elastic band, or your hand, you're modifying the operation of the magazine so its unlatched.

According to the law, a 'magazine cartirdge' is any device designed to feed rounds into the rifle, including any sort of contraption you might devise to contain more than 5 rounds.
 
animalamidon said:
i thought the illegal part was when you are in posession of a prohibited magazine?
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What you're missing is an understanding of how a magazine can become 'prohibited'. A modified magazine, which would include using something like an elastic band or your hand to expand the capacity of the magazine beyond 5 rounds, would make it a prohibited device.

Adding something to the original design of the magazine so it contains more than 5 rounds is no different legally than if you simply removed the 5 round pin.
 
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