What's your home defence handgun?

I would like to see you take a load of #6 shot to the chest. In your house we are talking about 10 feet and birdshot has no problem penetrating someones chest. You aren't doing your family a service protecting them if its your bucksot is being pulled from a family members corpse. I live in a small apartment attached to 3 others and it would make me hesitate to pull the trigger on my 9mm unless it was loaded with some hollow points. But birdshot will get the job done. I have put 7 1/2 trap loads through 2 layers of chipboard and with a modified choke the hole was about 6 inches at 10 yards.
 
Glock 17 with 4 loaded mags at the ready in the gun safe. Never loaded of course, but I use hollow-point frangables, perfect for home defence in the city.
 
mlehtovaara said:
I would like to see you take a load of #6 shot to the chest. In your house we are talking about 10 feet and birdshot has no problem penetrating someones chest. You aren't doing your family a service protecting them if its your bucksot is being pulled from a family members corpse. I live in a small apartment attached to 3 others and it would make me hesitate to pull the trigger on my 9mm unless it was loaded with some hollow points. But birdshot will get the job done. I have put 7 1/2 trap loads through 2 layers of chipboard and with a modified choke the hole was about 6 inches at 10 yards.
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Careful with your wording.

Name me one police force that uses birdshot.
 
be careful with what wording, and who cares about what police use. If that is your reasoning in picking a home defence gun you limit yourself to few guns, and ammo choices. Why would police use birdshot anyhow. They are not concerned with overpenetration when raiding a drug dealers house. I am when protecting my home. There are no police forces using over unders, and SxS's but they would still do the job. Like I said birdshot will destroy plenty of flesh and possibly be more effective if we measure blood loss. A few bucksot pellets hitting the wrong area would prove less lethal than a mans thigh turned into hamburger by a load of birdshot. You are sounding as close minded as a liberal politician. Have an open mind. If the man would hesitate to take a shot when his gun is loaded with bucksot then he should not have it loaded with bucksot it is that simple. If he is comfortable using birdshot, and he and I both know it will do the job then what is the problem. Nobody is telling you not to use buckshot.
 
Once I pick it up this week... it will be a Glock 17, trijicon night sights and surefire x300(in the safe). mags loaded(but seperate) with Remington 115-gr. JHP +P
 
effects said:
The way my floor plan is and layout, it is most probable that you will have put a .45 hydro-shock through one or both of your sons bodies (children). Well done. I personally have chosen to try and mitigate that risk. Shotgun with #5 it is.

I would be interested in seeing how well you would sleep after shooting one of your own family in an attempt to protect them. I am sure however you will be so very confident that that would never happen TO YOU and you will spout off something equally as impressive as your last post as "one shot, one kill" or something similar.

I can assure you that your allegation of me being a "P*SSY" is fallacious . I'm just practical and prudent, rather than reckless and hot-headed.
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Oohhh...hit a nerv with you ah, I can tell by your attitude your a real fudd (older a*shole who thinks he's wise, mature, and above all others)

The type of jerk at the range who designates himself "range officer" because he has 15 badges on his cheasy shooting vest and grey hair.

I dont have any children to worry about, exept my own life.
 
John in B.C. said:
Anyone who PLANS to use a handgun, rifle or shotgun loaded with buckshot or slugs for in home defense is not really thinking the issue through.

I was told many years ago, by an RCMP officer, that the only 'home defense' firearm to have on hand is a shotgun loaded with small birdshot.

No-one can say you have it 'just for' or 'set up for' shooting anyone. Basicaly your hunting gun or bush carry gun loaded with bird shot. Very defensible in court after the fact.

As well, the birdshot is very effective at the distances involved with an 'in home' shooting. It will either kill or incapacitate an attacker -and it MUST be an attacker not just an intruder- with one shot.

Birdshot does not have any of the issues with over-penetration associated with it that single projectile or buckshot loads have. In other words you do not want to shoot a round that can penetrate walls and kill or injure your children, spouse, neighbors etc.

It was good advice 30 years ago and I think it still stands up today.

John
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Very sensible, you gotta think about your day in court I guess after the situation is over.
 
If you're hardcore you'll roll with one of these. You can take an eye out with one if you're not careful.

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mlehtovaara said:
be careful with what wording, and who cares about what police use. If that is your reasoning in picking a home defence gun you limit yourself to few guns, and ammo choices. Why would police use birdshot anyhow. They are not concerned with overpenetration when raiding a drug dealers house. I am when protecting my home. There are no police forces using over unders, and SxS's but they would still do the job. Like I said birdshot will destroy plenty of flesh and possibly be more effective if we measure blood loss. A few bucksot pellets hitting the wrong area would prove less lethal than a mans thigh turned into hamburger by a load of birdshot. You are sounding as close minded as a liberal politician. Have an open mind. If the man would hesitate to take a shot when his gun is loaded with bucksot then he should not have it loaded with bucksot it is that simple. If he is comfortable using birdshot, and he and I both know it will do the job then what is the problem. Nobody is telling you not to use buckshot.
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Your ignorance is stunning. Police are always worried about overpenetration and backstop. Police do not just use their shotguns for busting in drug dealers homes, and drug dealers have children too. You don't win arguments by being more ignorant.

Birdshot is indeed vicious. Do you hunt deer with it? Nooooooo. Because it doesn't kill fast enough or at distances beyond three inches from the barrel. There is excellent documentation on this. Use of buckshot is consistent with the principles of self defense. You disagree not only with me but with every firearms training instructor I've ever heard from including Massad Ayoub, the boys at gunsite, tactical response and pretty much everywhere else. But you think I'm the one who is closed minded. Methinks thou dost need to look in the mirror.

Again thowing the word "Liberal politician" tells me you aren't very clever. Liberals won't tell you to use buckshot to defend yourself from a predator. Use birdshot in a SxS all you want, its your life. You may get lucky. But you sound to me like the one who is closed minded.
 
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