Which one? Sig 226 or CZ Shadow

relliott said:
If you decide on Sig and plan to shoot IPSC I suggest one of the steel frame versions.

Sigs: Very well made and very accurate. Heavy triggers (DA in particular). Bore axis a little high but this is manageable. Good sights, and the gun should last forever.

CZ Shadow: Lower bore axis and weight distribution set up for recoil absorption, also accurate with better triggers and the option for swapping out factory parts to get pretty much a purpose-built Production gun set up for racing...and winning. Rougher machine work and finish than the Sigs.

Try both and pick the one you like shooting the best. you won'[t be sorry with either one.
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Which ones are with steel frame? The others are alloy?
 
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They have several models (all based on the 226 platform) that can be had with steel frames. The X-5 is really purdy, but there are others. Browse the catalogue and check `em out.
 
relliott said:
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They have several models (all based on the 226 platform) that can be had with steel frames. The X-5 is really purdy, but there are others. Browse the catalogue and check `em out.
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I just checked them all out and they all say the same thing for the frame. Black Hard Anodized. Except for the X-5 ones and those are just too pricey for me.
 
carsmovies said:
I just checked them all out and they all say the same thing for the frame. Black Hard Anodized. Except for the X-5 ones and those are just too pricey for me.
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The Elite Stainless, USPSA Black, or USPSA two-tone and the X-5 Allround offer stainless frames.
Sigs are high end guns, so they tend to be expensive. Have a look at the Shadow; they are excellent choices as well, and cost a LOT less. There are a lot of them out there, and one of the guys will be only too happy to let you try their gun out, I'm sure.

Good luck with your choice.
 
Sig is a nicer made gun, but there's nothing wrong with the CZ as well.

I had a couple of steel framed Sigs, and recently got a CZ (which haven't shot due to ATT renewal bs :()... When in doubt get a Beretta ;) great quality, superior reliability and should be in line with CZ price wise!
 
If you want a duty pistol go Sig 226: if you want a competition ready pistol go CZ Shadow/CZ85 Combat. You might also consider the Tanfoglio line. They are clones of the CZ, finish is nicer but a little pricier.

Take Care

Bob
 
I bought a CPO sig for 850 last year. Since then I have put 2000 rounds of 9mm and about 7000 rounds of .22lr (conversion kit). I have not had a problem with it at all.
 
carsmovies said:
I just checked them all out and they all say the same thing for the frame. Black Hard Anodized. Except for the X-5 ones and those are just too pricey for me.
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You can't anodize steel. Anodizing is only possible with aluminium. So if a listing says the frame is anodized then it is an aluminium frame.
 
If you are doing IPSC Production, I would go with the Shadow. If you want a pretty plinker or target gun, go with the Sig.

IMHO, the bore axis is too high and the DA heavier on the Sig.

Either way, get a steel framed gun, the extra weight will help your shooting.

As Bob mentioned above, don't overlook the CZ 85 Combat, a very accurate gun and not quite as heavy as the Shadow.
 
I'm not a particularly good shot, however, there are two pistols that when I pick them up they shoot better for me than any other pistol I just pick up - the Shadow and the HK PSP. Not saying that you cannot learn to shoot any pistol well, its just these two for me are on target and group better than G17, SIG, FS92, SW5942, PX4...

The $700 difference between them buys a lot of ammo, coaching, custom parts that may do more for your shooting than the difference between the two firearms.

Perhaps a crazy suggestion but perhaps you should shoot them before buying.
 
I own both and for me the Shadow is the gun that gets range time and the Sig is stashed at the back of the safe. That being said I shoot competition and just turning up to the range to plink pretty much bores me to tears. For duty go the Sig, for IPSC Production class go the Shadow, for plinking what ever tickles your fancy but personally I'd go the gun you'd use for the secondary purpose (Service/IPSC) to gain more familiarity with it.
As has been mentioned if for some reason you go for a Sig take a serious look at the sub models, the short reset trigger makes up for one of the things that always annoyed me about my P226. Several club members purchased the Blackwater tacticals with the SRT and it is definitely a step foreward (of course they are now swearing due to the Production class rule change placing a limit of fifteen rounds in a magazine).
 
tobin said:
If you are doing IPSC Production, I would go with the Shadow. If you want a pretty plinker or target gun, go with the Sig.

IMHO, the bore axis is too high and the DA heavier on the Sig.

Either way, get a steel framed gun, the extra weight will help your shooting.

As Bob mentioned above, don't overlook the CZ 85 Combat, a very accurate gun and not quite as heavy as the Shadow.
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The CZ 85 combat does also interest me. What's the difference between that and the Shadow? The 85 says it has ambi slide release, does the shadow too cause I'm a lefty.
 
carsmovies said:
The CZ 85 combat does also interest me. What's the difference between that and the Shadow? The 85 says it has ambi slide release, does the shadow too cause I'm a lefty.
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No the Shadow doesn't offer a ambi slide release. The 86C also has the advantage of being a little lighter making legal for IDPA in either SSP or ESP Divisions without worrying about making weight for SSP. Replace the hammer with a Competition Hammer, replace the mainspring with a 13# mainspring and you have one of the sweetest triggers going. The 85C also comes with adjustable rear sights which has some advantages. Personally I replaced them with Competition rear sight and a FO front to go along with the new hammer.

Out of the box the pistol is a shooter so replacing the mainspring with a lighter one is really all you have to do. Your grand kids will be shooting the gun into their old age. The guns are extremely well made.

Take Care

Bob
 
Sig hands down.

People keep spouting off about this CZ 'lower bore axis' crap. I don't really feel a difference when I shoot a CZ. Until the scientific data is posted that there is less recoil in a 9mm CZ 75b compared to a Sig 266, I call bs.


When you reach down and your palm rests underneath the Beavertail of the Sig in your holster...that is a comforting feeling.
Your hand easily and naturally wraps around the grip as you draw it from it's sheath
The Sig is well balanced and guides your hand onto target as if by Magic.
High accuracy and repeatable performance from the Sig is engineered into each pistol

Sig was the best pistol I have had so far. I Foolishly sold it (in retrospect), more so just to try, other pistols.....Why? SIG and HK is all you need.
 
I shoot with a bunch of Sig addicts; I have tried just about every type of Sig out there available to civilians, and some of the military stuff too (nice shooting at Connaught). It is prety much a given that iff the gun has a black frame, it will be aluminum; the silver ones are almost always stainless (never seen one out fo these parameters). The Sig Elites and the Sig X5 are gorgeous guns that shoot really well; I like the SRT trigger on the Elite, but I can make a 1" group with a X5. I have also shot the basic 226 like the CPO guns; they are nice but you can tell the difference between the Elite and the X5 and the base models (you can buy 2 CPOs for the cost of an Elite and 3 CPOs for the cost of a X5).

As I say this, I have a CZ Shadow in the basment. For 25 meter shooting the SIGs are a bit better than the Shadow, but most of the drills we run are at 15 meters and I notice little difference. I like the weight of the Shadow and the shape of the grip; I find it comes back down qucker under rapid fire.

If you have the money for a Elite or X5 buy one and do not look back; if you are stuck around the CPO and Shadow price range (like I was) buy the Shadow and you will be happy.
 
Thanks everyone. I've actually decided on the C85 Combat. I held the Shadow and the 226 today and prefer the feel of the shadow better and since I'm a lefty having the complete ambi of the C85 and lower price than even the shadow I went that route.
 
Good choice. Get yourself a Blade Tech holster and a double mag holder you will be set. Good shooting and enjoy your CZ. It won't disapoint.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
No the Shadow doesn't offer a ambi slide release. The 86C also has the advantage of being a little lighter making legal for IDPA in either SSP or ESP Divisions without worrying about making weight for SSP. Replace the hammer with a Competition Hammer, replace the mainspring with a 13# mainspring and you have one of the sweetest triggers going. The 85C also comes with adjustable rear sights which has some advantages. Personally I replaced them with Competition rear sight and a FO front to go along with the new hammer.

Out of the box the pistol is a shooter so replacing the mainspring with a lighter one is really all you have to do. Your grand kids will be shooting the gun into their old age. The guns are extremely well made.

Take Care

Bob
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Where do I find these parts?
 
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