Excellent choice, very reliable, accurate and smooth. My first 9mm was an early Cz85 (back when they were mysterious 'communist' guns and selling for thousands in the US) terrific pistol. With the money you're saving you can shoot more, and get a decent holster (don't buy a crappy holster - you'll regret it)
Which one? Sig 226 or CZ Shadow
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Right here:
http://www.ghostholster.com/
They are great people to deal with. Have Ken Soucie install them for you. He did mine. You can reach him here:
General Gun & Supply
230 Eugenie Street West
Windsor, Ontario
M8X 2X6
Ph 519 250 8048
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Bob
http://www.ghostholster.com/
They are great people to deal with. Have Ken Soucie install them for you. He did mine. You can reach him here:
General Gun & Supply
230 Eugenie Street West
Windsor, Ontario
M8X 2X6
Ph 519 250 8048
Take Care
Bob
Lets see, you say it's crap and thousands of IPSC Production shooters go with the CZ Shadow and Clones at the exclusion of SIG. Right OK, it might be BS. A higher bore axis and less weight increases muzzle flip and felt recoil or not, you decide.
Just physics and simple geometry at work, that is all.
Take Care
Bob
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Great, thanks Bob.
Czcustom.com is the same place, essentually 
and you may and can buy springs, sights, mags and other minor parts in US if you keep it under $100 (before s/h) and it makes sence if it works out to be much cheaper.
You'd also benefit from registering with czforumsite.info
Oh, and CZ 85 Combat also has overtravel adjustable trigger - make sure you use some blue locktight on it just in case. (turn the screw counterclockwise and COUNT the turns, just enough to put a tiny amount of locktight on treads with a toothpick; then turn it back the same number of turns).
and you may and can buy springs, sights, mags and other minor parts in US if you keep it under $100 (before s/h) and it makes sence if it works out to be much cheaper.You'd also benefit from registering with czforumsite.info
Oh, and CZ 85 Combat also has overtravel adjustable trigger - make sure you use some blue locktight on it just in case. (turn the screw counterclockwise and COUNT the turns, just enough to put a tiny amount of locktight on treads with a toothpick; then turn it back the same number of turns).
Good choice on the CZ 85 Combat. I tried one at one point and it shot really well for me, but I decided to go with the extra weight in the front. The one I tried was a better shooter for the girl that own it, but she competed with a Sig since she ahd two and if one s**t the bed, she had another one (muscle memory).
Since you're a lefty, like me, you'll definitely prefer the 85C over a 226. The 226 does have great build quality, but unless you choose the P226 X-Five it's useless for a lefty. I really dislike the double action pull on my combat, but I've done zero mods on mine. Maybe if I were to replace the hammer and the mainspring I'd feel differently.
I have bigger hands and I still prefer the CZ grip over the 226. The plastic grip panels on the 85 are really cheap though, I have a hogue grip right now, but I think I'm going to buy the factory rubber panels at some point.
Combat has no Firing Pin Block (read - should have no creep) - just replace main (hammer) spring with 13# one to make trigger lighter.
I have new unused 13# main spring and used but in very good condition CZ factory rubber grips if you are interested.
I have new unused 13# main spring and used but in very good condition CZ factory rubber grips if you are interested.
YUK check out Dennis Marshal grips located here:
http://www.marschalgrips.com
They are a great buy and company provides excellent service. I have a pair on my SP-01 Shadow and intend to buy more of thier grips over time.
Take Care
Bob
http://www.marschalgrips.com
They are a great buy and company provides excellent service. I have a pair on my SP-01 Shadow and intend to buy more of thier grips over time.
Take Care
Bob
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h ttp://czcustom.com/testproduct-275-1.aspx
The above is for a gorgeous set of aluminum grips. You won't get anything better for the CZ. For everything else you may want for these guns this is the place to look:
h ttp://czcustom.com/index.aspx
The above is for a gorgeous set of aluminum grips. You won't get anything better for the CZ. For everything else you may want for these guns this is the place to look:
h ttp://czcustom.com/index.aspx
It depends. sometimes Customs charges and somtimes they don't. They didn't charge me anything when I got mine. I am not sure of this but from my experience they don't seem to bother with any orders under $100. anymore. GST is all you would pay in any event plus $5. to the Post Office for handling.
Even though they are made in Hundgry their service is very good. I got an email from them the day they were shipped. Everyone I know who have ordered their grips have been very happy with them.
I bought mone for my Shadow (the thin grips) to get down to 39oz so I could use my gun in IDPA SSP Division. Very happy with them and will buy sets for my 97B and 85 Combat.
Take Care
Bob
We are comparing Factory Competition Models now?
Then we should compare the shadow with the Sig X-five or Six, not the 226.
The name of the game for CZ is providing a cheap way to get into shooting sports.
You can't compare the Cheap CZ to a Sig Masterpiece. Totally different League.
The OP was not asking which was better for IPSC.
He wanted to know which was a better pistol (more accurate)
SIG will always be the answer.
Cheers
Sure I can. Inexpensive is the word you should be using rather than cheap. Just because a SIG is either made in Germany or the US (both high wage arenas and comes into this country carrying those costs doesn't make it a better weapon just more costly to build and buy. At $1200+ for a Sig vs $800 and change for the CZ, tell me the better value. Your Sig diesn't carry with it any more practical accuracy than a CZ. Add to that it's high bore axis and long trigger pull and you have enough reasons to save your money for ammo and buy a CZ.
SIGs are great pistols no doubt but carry with them a higher entry costs with no measurable benefit to the shooter other than fullfilling the shoters desire to own a SIG. There is not anything wrong with that incidently just dont pass the desire off for claiming the gun is better.
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Bob
The IPSC thing IS part of the debate.
In my opinion, if IPSC does have some influence then the Cz is the ####. It was designed for the IPSC game.
The Sig was designed for a Duty gun. Are you a Cop? The Police forces are getting rid of Berettas, Sigs and S&W so they can have plastic guns like Glocks and other copies. Lighter guns are preferred for carry and they are cheap. They shoot just as accurately @ the specified distance of 7 to 10 yards.
If you just want a gun to go to the range with either will do.
Shoot both and the one that FEELS right to you should be picked.
By the way never mind the "which gun is better crap" A good shooter can out shoot you with a slingshot.
If that is the case, then get a slingshot.
