Who is running a slide mounted RDS?

Not sure why one would put an Optic on a home defense gun unless you envision more than my imagination can contrive.

Hmmm... perhaps because I cannot see iron sights with anything near the precision that I deem prudent for making life and death shots?

As regards my earlier comments regarding the Burris Fastfire III, "Hobby-Grade" is just my opinion based on a direct comparison with the other MRDSs on the market. The Burris Housing, and in particular the Hood that protects the Lense, is very thin metal and does not appear to be nearly as durable as its competitors. The Burris MRDS just strikes me as being cheap and flimsy in comparison to the RMRs, Delfapoint Pro, HS507C, ACRO and Razor. YMMV....
 
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Not sure why one would put an Optic on a home defense gun unless you envision more than my imagination can contrive.

Take Care

Bob

Not sure why anyone would accept a sub-optimal set up for anything dedicated to self defence. Just because an optic is installed doesn’t require you to use it in every circumstance, however should the circumstances dictate it’s use, the consequences of not having it available could be severe.

Train like you fight, fight like you train....
 
Hmmm... perhaps because I cannot see iron sights with anything near the precision that I deem prudent for making life and death shots?

As regards my earlier comments regarding the Burris Fastfire III, "Hobby-Grade" is just my opinion based on a direct comparison with the other MRDSs on the market. The Burris Housing, and in particular the Hood that protects the Lense, is very thin metal and does not appear to be nearly as durable as its competitors. The Burris MRDS just strikes me as being cheap and flimsy in comparison to the RMRs, Delfapoint Pro, HS507C, ACRO and Razor. YMMV....

Interesting. I have never considered defensive shooting scenarios within my home to require precision shooting. I would think shots inside five to ten feet to be within the capabilities of most who handle firearms regularly. Mind you living in the areas I did over the years, the probability of such an event happening was right up there with winning the Loto regularly. That said, some of the houses I have owned over the years had straight line sight lines as much as 30 feet...still.

I do concede if your eyesight is severely compromised a slide mounted RDS may well be useful.

To add some real life insight into the discussion my neighbour, while living in another city, woke up to a home invader. His wife was stabbed and eventually bled out as he wrestled down the individual. No time there to turn in a RDS or even grab a gun to defend himself. Distances were inside of two feet. HIs arms bare witness to his struggles but he did prevail.

Circumstances vary and imaginations, propelled by marketing, can propose any number of scenarios, where one set up is better than another.

Innaavedaw of the examples illustrated it is worth noting only three examples, Glock, S&W and FN have co-witness capabilities so the options you suggest are not always there. Too, you also assume iron sights to be sub-optimal. Considering most self defense situations occur within five yards or less I would suggest any advantages of a Optic sight over irons are rather small when solving real life issues. There are advantages to Optics but perhaps not all that much as one might think for civilians. The exceptions being of course, shooting cardboard targets while playing IPSC, IDPA, 3 Gun or similar shooting sport.

Take Care

Bob
ps I do practice regularly with my Sig 320 Xfive with a Vortex 6 MOA mounted. Much easier to shoot fast and accurately, (inside 8"), once the dot is acquired at distances beyond 15 yards. Inside of 15 yards for me there is no practical benefit.
 
Bartok, have you experienced failures with your Burris or is the main concern the small,thin, light weight aspect and it's potential failure due to blunt force trauma?

I also live in a safe area, but I see Bob's point. Probably a good idea to train at instinctive point shooting up close and also run a light and laser to allow for illumination, shooting from behind cover or unorthodox positions and lastly intimidation if the threat is not armed with a gun.

I know you like lights and lasers as well as red dot's and fine weapons..... you've got the "hardware" covered that's for sure.... :)
 
My home is quite open and spacious, having been specifically-built to accommodate my wheelchair. As a result, I have lines of sight in excess of 25' across the main living areas. When I speak of the potential requirement for precise shot placement, I am envisioning family members, for whatever reason in proximity to the threat(s). While I would be very reluctant to take a "surgical shot" were there any risk whatsoever of collateral friendly injury, I can think of any number of situations where precision, aimed shots would be both necessary and prudent. One could argue that with a prosecutor potentially attached to every bullet we launch in a self-defence situation, every shot fired had best be precisely aimed with due regard for what lies beyond the target area (eg. The neighbors). While I can see the need to also practice contact shots for unexpected close encounters, I would expect such instinctive-style shooting situations to be the exception rather than the norm.

Can--Down, I have not encountered any failure to date of a Burris Fastfire III. That said, aside from fairly gentle use on an indoor range none of my MRDS have never been "stress-tested". My assessment of the Fastfire III's comparative fragility is based solely upon its appearance. Even if it were titanium, there is no way the Fastfire's thin metal Hood could stand up to abuse as well as the other contenders with their much thicker aluminum or double spring-steel (Deltapoint Pro) Hoods. Just my opinion, is all.


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Interesting. I have never considered defensive shooting scenarios within my home to require precision shooting. I would think shots inside five to ten feet to be within the capabilities of most who handle firearms regularly. Mind you living in the areas I did over the years, the probability of such an event happening was right up there with winning the Loto regularly. That said, some of the houses I have owned over the years had straight line sight lines as much as 30 feet...still.

I do concede if your eyesight is severely compromised a slide mounted RDS may well be useful.

To add some real life insight into the discussion my neighbour, while living in another city, woke up to a home invader. His wife was stabbed and eventually bled out as he wrestled down the individual. No time there to turn in a RDS or even grab a gun to defend himself. Distances were inside of two feet. HIs arms bare witness to his struggles but he did prevail.

Circumstances vary and imaginations, propelled by marketing, can propose any number of scenarios, where one set up is better than another.

Innaavedaw of the examples illustrated it is worth noting only three examples, Glock, S&W and FN have co-witness capabilities so the options you suggest are not always there. Too, you also assume iron sights to be sub-optimal. Considering most self defense situations occur within five yards or less I would suggest any advantages of a Optic sight over irons are rather small when solving real life issues. There are advantages to Optics but perhaps not all that much as one might think for civilians. The exceptions being of course, shooting cardboard targets while playing IPSC, IDPA, 3 Gun or similar shooting sport.

Take Care

Bob
ps I do practice regularly with my Sig 320 Xfive with a Vortex 6 MOA mounted. Much easier to shoot fast and accurately, (inside 8"), once the dot is acquired at distances beyond 15 yards. Inside of 15 yards for me there is no practical benefit.

Theres a difference between shooting on the range under low/no stress at five to ten feet and a high stress situation where lives are at risk.

Only having one focal point instead of your irons and target and focusing between them so yes optics offer a very big advantage in self defence situations. Which is why more and more law enforcement agencies/departments are authorizing mrds on pistols.
 
I agree Bartok, The fast fire is very lightly constructed and minimal.... they even sell accessories to beef it up a bit for rougher use.
It must be one of the lighter options out there but I haven't handled many of these micro red dots.

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Is everyone using a RDS on their pistol finding the glass gets filthy after a hundred rounds? I can't believe how dirty mine is getting fast.
 
Is everyone using a RDS on their pistol finding the glass gets filthy after a hundred rounds? I can't believe how dirty mine is getting fast.
On my P10C, yes, I had the dot sitting RIGHT on the edge of the slide.(Closest to chamber)
On my SP01, no, it stays clean but sits a lot further back on the slide.
 
I have 2 RDS that I use on my shadow 2 optic.The first is a vortex venom 6mil dot which I used for 5K on the gun and it worked very well.Very happy with the sight and value for money.

I wanted a slightly larger window so went for a Leupold DPP.Nice big window and nice clear optics but unfortunately it failed after 1K.The battery contact(which is held down by a small clear sticker(terrible design)),failed and let the contact slide.Ive subsequently found out that this is a common problem with these sights,so its back for warranty service.We'll see what they can do as I believe that Leupold has a fix for this,but at the moment I wouldnt recommend this (expensive)RDS.The new Trijicon looks really nice but its very expensive and cant be found anywhere for sale anyways.Think I will just stick with the Vortex.

One thing to realise is that all of these slide mounted sights will eventually fail
 
Anyone else intrigued by the new Mepro MRDS with its QD mount and back-up Tritium Night Sight/Mount? I just ordered up a set from FOC for my CZ 85 Combat at a cost of $500 for the QD MRDS and Tritium Night Sights as a package deal.


 
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