If you did deals on EE (feedback is zero) my guess is that you would actually read an ad before EMTing $$.
Why are airsoft guns allowed on the Airgun EE??
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If you did deals on EE (feedback is zero) my guess is that you would actually read an ad before EMTing $$.
The RCMP lists air soft under air guns in the air gun fact sheet: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/air_gun-arme_air-eng.htm
Note that air guns wouldn't require a PAL even if they exceed 500 fps if they don't meet the energy threshold (5.7 Joules/4.2 foot-pounds) - steel BB guns wouldn't exceed the energy threshold until close to 600 fps if firing 5.4gr BBs, while airsoft guns firing 0.2 gram (3.1 gr) pellets wouldn't exceed 5.7J until 780+ fps
Note that air guns wouldn't require a PAL even if they exceed 500 fps if they don't meet the energy threshold (5.7 Joules/4.2 foot-pounds) - steel BB guns wouldn't exceed the energy threshold until close to 600 fps if firing 5.4gr BBs, while airsoft guns firing 0.2 gram (3.1 gr) pellets wouldn't exceed 5.7J until 780+ fps
- Location
- Nova Scotia
SO CGN should waste resources and time for a separate subsection for the dozen or so airsoft guns in the EE?
Correct. And if you started an air soft thread anywhere you got called mean words. Including 4 letter words that are now filtered.
There are also many that require no license at all, same as airsoft. Furthermore, many airguns were derived from an airsoft platform, the KWC 1911 being the best example of that.
Airsoft guns (also unregulated airguns to a certain extent) provide a low cost, safe-ish at home training option for real steel shooters.
Finally, anyone who does not know the difference between airsoft, airguns and "proper" firearms definitely got into the gene pool when the lifeguard wasn't looking.
This morning when I woke, I thought of the most pressing issue facing Canadian gun owners today, and I determined that it was the intermingling of airsoft and airguns on CGN.
And when I turned on my computer, the first thing I saw was this thread, and I had an epiphany - I must not rest until airsoft and airguns are separate once more.
And when I turned on my computer, the first thing I saw was this thread, and I had an epiphany - I must not rest until airsoft and airguns are separate once more.
rifleman762
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Southern Alberta
I'm a poor man; I've only bought a few little AR parts off EE and the seller didn't give feedback
. I only buy a gun every few years and never off EE so far. I usually buy beaters from Tradeex. And I don't sell guns; I'm a hoarder, according to my wife. Anyways, obviously I would not *accidentally* purchase a airsoft gun while looking for a pellet gun. But I still think it would be best to have a separate category. When I am shopping for anything, not just guns, I much prefer a website that lets me drill down as much as possible to eliminate the wheat from the chaff (with regards to what I want to find - not saying airsoft guns are chaff for everyone).That's all I'm saying. I repeat: if rimfires are separated from centerfires, why not separate airsoft/paintball from BB/pellet guns? It would be a simple change.
rifleman762
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Southern Alberta
Actually, the best solution for this would be for CGN to install classifieds software on the server and set it up with categories and attribute filters. It's all off the shelf stuff.
I'm pretty sure the interpretation hasn't changed and the wording was only updated to reflect the interpretation that it was always and; and never had been or.
Otherwise, just about every .22 air rifle would have required a PAL (they exceed the 4.2 foot-pounds long before they hit 400 fps with most common pellet weights).
Back to the original topic, while I was surprised to see air soft guns in the EE, the airgun EE sees so few postings that I don't see the issue. Although maybe the entire section could just be labelled "non-powder burners"
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I did a little more research into this as it seemed contrary to what I remember and according to the government website:
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-18.html
Certain weapons deemed not to be firearms
(3) For the purposes of sections 91 to 95, 99 to 101, 103 to 107 and 117.03 of this Act and the provisions of the Firearms Act, the following weapons are deemed not to be firearms:
(a) any antique firearm;
(b) any device that is
(i) designed exclusively for signalling, for notifying of distress, for firing blank cartridges or for firing stud cartridges, explosive-driven rivets or other industrial projectiles, and
(ii) intended by the person in possession of it to be used exclusively for the purpose for which it is designed;
(c) any shooting device that is
(i) designed exclusively for the slaughtering of domestic animals, the tranquillizing of animals or the discharging of projectiles with lines attached to them, and
(ii) intended by the person in possession of it to be used exclusively for the purpose for which it is designed; and
(d) any other barrelled weapon, where it is proved that the weapon is not designed or adapted to discharge
(i) a shot, bullet or other projectile at a muzzle velocity exceeding 152.4 m per second or at a muzzle energy exceeding 5.7 Joules, or
(ii) a shot, bullet or other projectile that is designed or adapted to attain a velocity exceeding 152.4 m per second or an energy exceeding 5.7 Joules.
So according to this (the government of canada's own criminal code website), it does not need to meet both the velocity and the energy to be considered a firearm. I think the rcmp website might still be worded incorrectly...
