Why are Canadian's too good to patch when they shoot?

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Ipsik said:
Slavex and doubters

If 200 shooters pay $250.00 each to shoot the Nats
the gross is $50,000.00

If it takes 40 R0's CRO' and staff to run the match and we re-imburse the 1/2 of them that travel far at the most 500 travel, 300 room and 200 meals and this is generous that is 20,000, the balance will be local so we reimburse them 300 for room and 200 meals = 10,000 Total is $30,000 at the most.

This leaves at least $20,000 to run the match...assuming most clubs big enough to run the match have most of the props needed this should be more than ample.

Unless the host club is running it to make a profit, in that case of course they will not want to pay for RO's

By the way Last year it was $175 x about 231 shooters = about $40,000 paid to run the match. I don't know what it was spent on.
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Just hang on a minute there, Mr. IPSIK.
You're forgetting half the story:
I'm willing to bet last year they picked up another $10000.00 or so at least on sponsorships. There are match sponsors, stage sponsors, etc.....
Lots to be added there.....
 
AlexS said:
Just hang on a minute there, Mr. IPSIK.
You're forgetting half the story:
I'm willing to bet last year they picked up another $10000.00 or so at least on sponsorships. There are match sponsors, stage sponsors, etc.....
Lots to be added there.....
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More back of napkin calculations...:runaway:

231 people shot...231 people did not pay (dedicated range staff etc)

They also gave out 231 plus patch guns...and don't bother with the "I didn't need one"...you got one and they cost money.

It's not hard to see where the money went...there were alot of props...and like it or not the pnuematic (sp?) stage was expensive to build...and I don't remember the last time I saw poured concrete pads for poppers...it was a solidly built match

It's not hard to see where the money went...
 
Quigley said:
More back of napkin calculations...:runaway:

231 people shot...231 people did not pay (dedicated range staff etc)

They also gave out 231 plus patch guns...and don't bother with the "I didn't need one"...you got one and they cost money.

It's not hard to see where the money went...there were alot of props...and like it or not the pnuematic (sp?) stage was expensive to build...and I don't remember the last time I saw poured concrete pads for poppers...it was a solidly built match

It's not hard to see where the money went...
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Not hard to see it went everywhere except where it should have- to RO's.
 
"They also gave out 231 plus patch guns...and don't bother with the "I didn't need one"...you got one and they cost money." Money that would have been better spent being put towards full time stage staff.
 
I think we are falling into the Irrational People Constantly Squabbling area of things now guys.
 
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Slavex said:
I think we are falling into the Irrational People Constantly Squabbling area of things now guys.
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Yes, I guess you are right. It's pretty irrational to collect around $50000.00
for a level III match and claim there's not enough money to pay for a dedicated match staff!!!!!:eek:
 
No Dedicated range staff is one of the major reasons I will not be attending the Nationals this year. I should mention that I have been a dedicated CRO at multiple Nationals. I was told by some of the people involved in the match that they saw it as an unnecessary expense and perk for the officials. Good luck to them because without dedicated officials I don't see how you can have consistency in a match of this size and caliber. Just my 2 Cents.
 
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ENSHOOTER said:
No Dedicated range staff is one of the major reasons I will not be attending the Nationals this year. I should mention that I have been a dedicated CRO at multiple Nationals. I was told by some of the people involved in the match that they saw it as an unnecessary expense and perk for the officials. Good luck to them because without dedicated officials I don't see how you can have consistency in a match of this size and caliber. Just my 2 Cents.
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Wow, someone else who understands how it works!
I wish everyone else who agrees would speak up, and not be typically Canadian about it - agree but say nothing.
 
AlexS said:
Yes, I guess you are right. It's pretty irrational to collect around $50000.00
for a level III match and claim there's not enough money to pay for a dedicated match staff!!!!!:eek:
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50 000 / (5 * 5 * 4) = 500

That's 50,000, divided by 5 days, 5 ranges, and four people per range. That doesn't include the stats and admin staff, either.

I don't know if you've ever had people in the field, but $500 is not really all that much for one person for one day, all expenses in.

And where does the money come from to compensate the club, fuel the generator/buy the hydro, spraypaint, buy steel, rebuild walls, buy lunches for workers, buy the trophies, rent the banquet hall...

And two hundred other things.
 
Having a pre-match is not a requirement of the Nationals. It is optional. It is up to the host organization to decide if they want to do this. We have opted not to have a pre-match for the 2007 Nationals. We view it as an unnecessary expense and work for the host club. We have been running large scale matches in our section for years and without dedicated match staff and it works well as long as the necessary planning and preparation is done.

The dedicated officials/pre-match that has been used at previous national championships has not demonstrated the consistency that some people have stated in this forum.

DVC
 
Just received an invitation to apply to be a staff official for the 2007 USPSA championship match.... here is what it said:

2007 National Championship
Staff Support Benefits

Travel Expenses: up to a maximum of $325.00 per staff member receipt required. for local staff not requiring lodging will be reimbursed 35 cents to and from range upto 200.00

Lodging: double occupancy at match hotel will be provided or half the room cost if member chooses a single room. If member chooses to stay at a different hotel, staff member will be reimbursed for one-half the cost of a headquarter hotel room.

Meals: Breakfast and lunch provided, dinner per diem provided at rate of $15

Staff Appreciation Function: to be announced...

With benefits such as these we can see why people volunteer to be staff at their USPSA Championships... of course entry fees are higher but 275USD is not so high that shooters will stay away from a National Championship. Yet again travel expenses may be over the top for us Canadians to swallow but it may be the incentive to get those great officials to come out and work it....

As I suggested earlier in this thread.... take applications. If there are enough interested in being a Dedicated staff member then all is well if there is not enough interest then go with mandatory work days.... if it was tried and it was deemed unsuccessful then the whole argument would be put to rest...

at the end of the day with applications taken the organizers can say we did or did not have enough interested so this is why we are doing it this way...

thought I'd share the letter so you guys can compare what is actually being offered outside of Canada and not just hearsay.
 
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" without dedicated match staff " Area 8 keeps sounding better everyday. We have consistancy issues with the present system, how does not having a deicated CRO help the situation?
 
DVC 1911 said
The dedicated officials/pre-match that has been used at previous national championships has not demonstrated the consistency that some people have stated in this forum.
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I am curious as to which Canadian Nationals was that? I am unaware of dedicated RO's ever, may be you mean the dedicated CRO's...still the same issue with the competitor RO's actually running the shooters.
 
Madness said:
" without dedicated match staff " Area 8 keeps sounding better everyday. We have consistancy issues with the present system, how does not having a deicated CRO help the situation?
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Now Mike...

If you don't show up in BC this year...who's going to get us all tossed out of the bar :confused:
 
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Bartledan said:
50 000 / (5 * 5 * 4) = 500

That's 50,000, divided by 5 days, 5 ranges, and four people per range. That doesn't include the stats and admin staff, either.

I don't know if you've ever had people in the field, but $500 is not really all that much for one person for one day, all expenses in.

And where does the money come from to compensate the club, fuel the generator/buy the hydro, spraypaint, buy steel, rebuild walls, buy lunches for workers, buy the trophies, rent the banquet hall...

And two hundred other things.
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Once again, we have a match finance pro. Have you ever run a Level III, or are you just guessing at how a match is run?
 
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DVC1911 said:
You had to be there to experience it. Too many issues to list.

DVC
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I really would like to know which Nationals you say was run with dedicated staff.
Actually, since my first one in 1998, I can't ever remember a Nationals without too many issues to list.
 
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