Hmm, good question--I assumed they did, but looks like the closest Winchester got was the .35 Winchester (long expired) in the '95. So probably not millions of these around... I just always wondered how the .35 Rem managed to hold on as a factory offering after all this time.
why are the .35's not more popular?
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beretta boy
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35 Remington ...
Maybe cause it works !
Maybe cause it works !
I seem to recall an article stating the most efficient hunting cartridge was an ackley improved 35 whelen.In terms of ammunition availability and a practical hunting rifle,[I don't reload] I would probably pick an all weather ruger 77 in .350 magnum
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beretta boy said:35 Remington ...
Maybe cause it works !
Sometimes I envy you Eastern brush hunters
I used to hunt with an old-timer in Vermont who used a .35 Rem that he _downloaded_ to what must have been musket velocities. He got his deer, every year... but bring him out here to the parkland in central Alberta and he might as well be throwing rocks.
Winchester never loaded it's 94 in 35 rem. It is a rimless case mod 94 needs a rim. Marlin 336 has been loaded in 35 rem and Remington pumps also in pumps. I'm an eastern hunter, the only suggestion I have for western guys is that if what you are hunting is at 300 yards, get closer!! It is called hunting ,not plinking. Let's see how good you really are and get within min 200 yards. Outside of that it is not a test of hunting skill , but rather shooting skill. Nothing wrong with either, but decide which you want to do and arm yourself accordingly. IMHO.
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How about my "ancient" Remington model A in 35 rem.It was designed by Browning and was one of the first semi's.Mine still knocks deer down with aplomb and vigour! JITC
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iceman2 said:
Getting closer, is for us 'easterners' a lot easier than it is for westerners, well, at least praries guys anyway. You have togive the flatlanders something.
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The 35 Whelan works just fine loaded up for moose and down for deer.
I'm sure it would work just fine out west for elk, moose & bear.
For flat-assed prairie shooting at Whitey's, Mules or Speed Goats,
however, I'd likely opt for the 25-06 or 270.
I'm sure it would work just fine out west for elk, moose & bear.
For flat-assed prairie shooting at Whitey's, Mules or Speed Goats,
however, I'd likely opt for the 25-06 or 270.
I'm just a little surprised some of these chamberings aren't more popular and offered commercially -such as the Ackly improved 35 whelen,given not only their ''paper'' statistics of efficiency-but the annecdotal field reports on their effectiveness on large game
.35 caliber
About 34 years ago I bought a Marlin 336 cs in .35 rem., I shoot a 200 grain bullet ( Winchester power points ) I have taken many deer with this rifle , it is easy to shoot , shoulders well , got a low power scope on it (4x ) great bush gun ( 20 inch barrel ) I understand that it's good to around 150 yards , for everything ( deer , black bear , moose ) recoil is not hard to manage , I had 30-30's before and sold them and stayed with the .35 , for me it's been an all round cartridge that's never let my down , I never understood why it wasn't more popular than the 30-30 , probably because of advertisng method's . I won't part with mine for anything , although some of the newer rounds are looking even better ( Marlin 308 express ) ?? I think the muzzle velocity is 2100f.p.s. and it sure knocks whitetails down , one round . thanks Joe
About 34 years ago I bought a Marlin 336 cs in .35 rem., I shoot a 200 grain bullet ( Winchester power points ) I have taken many deer with this rifle , it is easy to shoot , shoulders well , got a low power scope on it (4x ) great bush gun ( 20 inch barrel ) I understand that it's good to around 150 yards , for everything ( deer , black bear , moose ) recoil is not hard to manage , I had 30-30's before and sold them and stayed with the .35 , for me it's been an all round cartridge that's never let my down , I never understood why it wasn't more popular than the 30-30 , probably because of advertisng method's . I won't part with mine for anything , although some of the newer rounds are looking even better ( Marlin 308 express ) ?? I think the muzzle velocity is 2100f.p.s. and it sure knocks whitetails down , one round . thanks Joe
I have always loved thee 35s myself from the 358, old BLR to my 350 Mashburn. However the mashburn loaded up to max 95.0 g or RL 22 pushing 225 nosler pat at 3280 fps will wake ya up when you pull the trigger!! and make most things fall down.
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The theoretical "advantage" of the 250gr .338's SD over the .358 is a paper fact, but not a practical difference. I've never had a 250 gr. bullet from a 35 wheen fail to exit on a broadside shot on an elk. I once had a 225 gr. X bullet stop under the hide on the far side after it broke both shoulders ( humerus bones) and two ribs on a bull elk. I've only recovered 250 gr. bullets if they were shot lengthwise. Of those, I've recovered only three, a Grand Slam that went through a cow elk feeding towards me, penetrated from the top of the withers to the back of one ham, and that includes about 10" of backbone. Similar situation with a mountain caribou. Another was recovered brom the hump of a moose that was was coming towards me, it penetrated almost three feet after taking out 7 or 8 vertebrae.
A .338 magnum kicks considerably more, needs a longer barrel, and has less diameter to transfer bullet energy. I like my 3 whelens. (and my .356!)
A .338 magnum kicks considerably more, needs a longer barrel, and has less diameter to transfer bullet energy. I like my 3 whelens. (and my .356!)
iceman2 said:
Iceman,
Have you ever hunted in an area that you can see farther than you can walk in 2 days? Many of those 300 yard shots are the result of getting closer. Besides, a lot of us think shooting gophers, crows and magpies at 300 yards is a great time.
I've had my .35 Whelen since '89 or there-abouts, but seldom hunt with it. For the conditions I hunt most of the time 3500 fps beats the hell out of 2500 fps. It does hit like a sledgehammer at shorter ranges though.
358 bore got a bad rap in the american gun rags in the 50's and 60's because of poor bullet construction. as better bullets became available the 338 was about all the recoil the 'average' american was prepared to handle. I have about 15, 35 cal rifles from an old 35 rem pump to 35 whelan,35 brown-whelan, a Norma mag,358 sta and my fav. a 35-404 imp. which I have had for 30 yr. The 35 is prob the most versatile of the real big game bores with bullets avail from 125jhp to over 300 gr. premiums. One grandson who is 12 has been shooting the brown-whelan using pistol bullets and thinks it should be his. Mark
What I meant by get closer is that if you are using a 35 cal you have to try and keep inside 200 to 250 yards otherwise you are plinking. That is why I said arm yourself accordingly. Long range for me in Eastern cover is 250 yards for deer, sometimes 300 for moose, and it is easier to get closer than in the west.
I love my ruger 77 in 350 rem mag. I was worried for a couple years as my ammo supply started getting low but now that it is being produced again I am smiling. The 350 may be a little heavy for deer but is perfect for anything bigger. I only shoot factory 200gr and don't shoot at animals over 200 yards so I don't care about the fast drop beyond that distance. I'm glad there is enough intrest in it for remington to produce it again.
