why are the .35's not more popular?

ratherbefishin said:
from everything I have been able to read-the various 35 caliber's are very effective hunting calibers for larger game-moose and bear,yet they don't seem to have achieved any degree of popularity-why not?
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Many reasons.

The gun writers that set the trend never seemed to wax overly enthusiastic about any .358 cartridge. The 35 Remington got more attention than the rest of the lot put together, and while it is a fine cartridge, it is the most anemic of the .358 caliber family.

Many - such as the .358 Winchester - were written up as being "brush cartridges". Take a look at the ballistics of a 180 - 200 grain premium hunting bullet out of a .358 Winchester and tell people that.

Marketing.

Poor choices of factory ammunition - what was and is currently available for the .358 Winchester comes to mind. Might have worked just fine in the field, but hunters can't help but look at the numbers.

A real shortage of quality bullets in various weights.

Too bad. But those of us who hunt with .358's sure aren't complaining...
 
BIGREDD said:
I grabbed a mint Winchester Big Bore in .356 recently to put away for my grandson. I have not had the time to shoot it much... I may just pull it out today.
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A .356 is a big bore :confused:. Nice gun, but no big bore. I guess in the little guy world it might seem big :onCrack:

:p
 
Type Winchester Big Bores into your Google bar and hit search. I was not the guy that hung the big bore handle on them... :rolleyes:
Just curious what is your definition of a Big Bore... obviously you have many.:p
 
I grabbed a mint Winchester Big Bore in .356 recently to put away for my grandson.
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Good on ya Bigredd, startin him young on the 35cal trail like that. He'll bless ya all of his hunting days! If only more youngsters today had a grandpa so enlightened as to the ways of the hunting 35s.:)
 
Thanks Whelen... the .35 has always intrigued me... and nothing is as exciting as a Winchester Lever to a youngster.
Would you agree that the .35's are big bores? just curious.
 
Would you agree that the .35's are big bores? just curious.
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The terms big and small are relative terms so it's a matter of opinion and one's personal perspective I think - even where u live plays a part in one's assessment (Africa or the lower 48 for example).

I think of them plunk in the middle - straddling the fence - so 35s are often called "middle" bores. They are neither big nor small. They are of neither fish nor fowl. Now that works for and against the acceptance of 35cals it seems to me. Many feel they are too BIG and recoil too much. Some say "...don't need more that a 30-06 for everything in North America". I get that comment all the time about the 35Whelen. On the other side are the Bison slayers that toss 45 and 50 cal boulders that might consider the 35Whelen too small - a pretty good varmint gun (to misapply a Keithism). In some African jurisdictions I gather the 375 is considered the smallest of the "big bores" that can legally be used on the big critters. But I think of 35s as very flexible.

In the end I'm personally happy with the "middle" bore designation.

But if pushed to choose I would say small bore since I think big bores really begin in the classic sense with the 375s. That said - the 35s are soooo close to morphing into big bores on any given day.:wave:

PS - same long answer for 9.3s
 
BIGREDD said:
Type Winchester Big Bores into your Google bar and hit search. I was not the guy that hung the big bore handle on them... :rolleyes:
Just curious what is your definition of a Big Bore... obviously you have many.:p
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Medium bore, nothing more and nothing less. Trying to swing your little #### again Bighead :rolleyes:

obviously you have many
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Probably more than you, but who really ####ing cares.

I'm serious :rolleyes:
 
my father just told me he is giving me his marlin in remington 35
i can't wait to get it to the range
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Very cool! The 35 Rem is a very good brush hunter and I think you'll like it if you hunt wooded areas mostly.
 
Whelen B said:
The terms big and small are relative terms so it's a matter of opinion and one's personal perspective I think - even where u live plays a part in one's assessment (Africa or the lower 48 for example).

I think of them plunk in the middle - straddling the fence - so 35s are often called "middle" bores. They are neither big nor small. They are of neither fish nor fowl. Now that works for and against the acceptance of 35cals it seems to me. Many feel they are too BIG and recoil too much. Some say "...don't need more that a 30-06 for everything in North America". I get that comment all the time about the 35Whelen. On the other side are the Bison slayers that toss 45 and 50 cal boulders that might consider the 35Whelen too small - a pretty good varmint gun (to misapply a Keithism). In some African jurisdictions I gather the 375 is considered the smallest of the "big bores" that can legally be used on the big critters. But I think of 35s as very flexible.

In the end I'm personally happy with the "middle" bore designation.

But if pushed to choose I would say small bore since I think big bores really begin in the classic sense with the 375s. That said - the 35s are soooo close to morphing into big bores on any given day.:wave:

PS - same long answer for 9.3s
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I think that, that is one of the problems there. The 35 cal is in the middle between the faster although smaller, calibres and the big heavy hitters like the 375, 416 etc. Neither fish or fowl as it were. Too big for some and to slow for others.
 
I have a model 600 Remginton in 350 Rem. Mag. It is an ugly little gun that kicks like a mule and makes a lot of noise. After about 150 yards I am spraying lead all over the place and am lucky to keep it in a 4 inch circle at 200 yards. I hesitate to use it becasue of that reason. I just cannot shoot the darn thing very well.

I killed an elk with it at 140 paces and it did a terrific job. But, I just hate to shoot the thing and it stays on the shelf. Just bought a .338 with a muzzle break and it is a pussy cat compared to that .350. Anyone want to buy a ugly Remington 600 .35 Remington Mag with a Weaver k 1.5 scope and a big thick recoil pad.
 
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I just got back from a camping trip with my 17 year old son. We were in the north west part of Vancouver Island (near Gold River, for those who know it). This area is just nasty with cougars and wolves, and we had our German Shepard with us, so we were armed. (As always) My son carried a browning B92 in 357 mag and I carried my Winchester 94 in 356 and I'm sorry to report that we were not attacked and I have nothing to report. As to why the 35's are not as popular as they deserve: I think it is all about the need for speed and what the ballistics charts say we should carry. My moose rifle is a 35 Whelen and I have also used a 338 win mag for moose. Nothing against the 338 but the moose I have taken all say the 35 kills them deader, faster. Oh ya, and with less recoil. PS Both my 35 and 338 are Belgium Made Brownings and shoot 1/2" groups and I have take moose out to a measured 400 yards with one shot from the 35. No brag, just fact.
 
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MHUNT said:
I just got back from a camping trip with my 17 year old son. We were in the north west part of Vancouver Island (near Gold River, for those who know it). This area is just nasty with cougars and wolves, and we had our German Shepard with us, so we were armed. (As always) My son carried a browning B92 in 357 mag and I carried my Winchester 94 in 356 and I'm sorry to report that we were not attacked and I have nothing to report. As to why the 35's are not as popular as they deserve: I think it is all about the need for speed and what the ballistics charts say we should carry. My moose rifle is a 35 Whelen and I have also used a 338 win mag for moose. Nothing against the 338 but the moose I have taken all say the 35 kills them deader, faster. Oh ya, and with less recoil. PS Both my 35 and 338 are Belgium Made Brownings and shoot 1/2" groups and I have take moose out to a measured 400 yards with one shot from the 35. No brag, just fact.
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Glad to hear you had a good trip, sounds like fun!
 
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Gibbs505 said:
I think that, that is one of the problems there. The 35 cal is in the middle between the faster although smaller, calibres and the big heavy hitters like the 375, 416 etc. Neither fish or fowl as it were. Too big for some and to slow for others.
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yeah...I think you might have something there.....that's the same area the 243 and 6mm have been in.....too big for gophers and coyotes....and too small for deer...that's according to most guys....I know a lot of guys use them for coyotes and deer without reserve...but I think the general consensus is they are too "in between".......
 
Over the last month or so, I've been working up a load for my .358 Savage EG. This is the first time I've used anything other than a .30 caliber, and I must say that I'm more than pleased. At 100 yards, with a 200g hornady interlock, the gun is very accurate. Time and time again, I'm punching the same hole with the first two shots. No fluke, I've done it too many times. She starts to wander a bit after that, but only because I don't have the patience to let the barrel cool. As to recoil, what recoil? I find I have to hold her a bit tighter, and she "jumps" a bit, but quite she's fun to fire. To date, I've fired about 60 rounds. I can't wait until September to see if the moose likes her. So, Jim, she's a good one, and thanks again for doing the deal.
 
I am lately considering to buy a Marlin in 35 Rem. so I went to my regular hunting store (who don't sell Marlins) and asked the owner if he had 35 Rem. ammo in stock. He looked puzzled and asked me 35 whelen? I said no and told him about the 35 Rem and the Marlin. Same goes when I mentioned the 45-70gov. He aswered the old supplie and demand thing saying he could try to bring some in, but he thought the distributer would'nt want to import a box full and get stuck with it... Now I know Lebaron has some in their listing, so WTF? I want to help the local guy and I like the bigger bore levers, but the two does not match. It's frustrating to see Remington/Browning 30 06 and 270 win. everywhere I go. :puke:
 
I just bought Crashman's BLR .358, looked like a great ctge to me, here are some #'s to consider:

(I "borrowed this from Chuck H's website so take it for what you think its worth)

Muzzle Velocity

.358 Winchester, 180 grain bullet at 2700 - 2800 fps
.358 Winchester, 200 grain bullet at 2500 - 2600 fps
.358 Winchester, 225 grain bullet at 2400 - 2500 fps
.358 Winchester, 250 grain bullet at 2200 - 2300 fps


.308 Winchester, 150 grain bullet at 2820 fps
.308 Winchester, 165 grain bullet at 2700 fps
.308 Winchester, 180 grain bullet at 2620 fps
.300 Winchester Magnum, 150 grain bullet at 3290 fps
.300 Winchester Magnum, 180 grain bullet at 2960 fps
.338 Winchester Magnum, 200 grain bullet at 2950 fps
.338 Winchester Magnum, 250 grain bullet at 2660 fps
.45-70 Government, 300 grain bullet at 1810 fps
.45-70 Government, 350 grain bullet at 2100 fps
.45-70 Government, 405 grain bullet at 1330 fps

Trajectory

308 Winchester, 150 grain at 2820 fps - MPBR 264 yards
.308 Winchester, 165 grain at 2700 fps - MPBR 260 yards
.308 Winchester, 180 grain at 2620 fps - MPBR 250 yards
.300 Winchester Magnum, 150 grain at 3290 fps - MPBR 300 yards
.300 Winchester Magnum, 180 grain at 2960 fps - MPBR 284 yards
.338 Winchester Magnum, 200 grain at 2950 fps - MPBR 289 yards
.338 Winchester Magnum, 250 grain at 2660 fps - MPBR 265 yards
.358 Winchester, 180 grain at 2700 fps - MPBR 255 yards
.358 Winchester, 200 grain at 2500 fps - MPBR 237 yards
.358 Winchester, 250 grain at 2300 fps - MPBR 227 yards
.45-70 Government, 300 grain at 1810 fps - MPBR 164 yards
.45-70 Government, 405 grain at 1330 fps - MPBR 130 yards

Now given this data it is with great anticipation that I look forward to getting to the range in the next couple of weeks with Doug and see what it really does.

Geoff
 
crazy_davey said:
Medium bore, nothing more and nothing less. Trying to swing your little #### again Bighead :rolleyes:



Probably more than you, but who really f**king cares.

I'm serious :rolleyes:
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You are a serious detriment to this forum Dave... I think you need some help.:wave:
 
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