Why don't IPSC shooters like 3-gun?

For those who think that we do not have 3GUN in the belle province there it is since 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdt46jsJrrQ&t=15s

So we ask the competitors should have thir black badge for security reason. Also to not have to explain all the safety rule, 180 finger in the trigger etc... prior the match.

According to IPSC Quebec 1/3 of people who doing their black badge, they do it to compete in 3GUN. I will say that more than a half of 3gun crowd in Quebec dont shoot IPSC match. But at every end of 3gun match i encourage them to shoot IPSC match. I DQ'd i guy two match in the row, a yelow card, i tell him to do 2 IPSC match without be DQ before coming back in 3GUN.

I use to say that 3gun is for the one wh are not afraid to work, shoot hard and don't afraid to be dirty. In IPSC match you can go, shoot work for 1 hour and left. In 3GUN everyone are ''first in last out''.

Yes it is more expensive and you have more implication but it whort the price
 
So this thread has been interesting, but I'm still not sure what can be done to get pistol shooters to try 3 gun....

1) shorter stages
2) rifle/pistol match
3) introductory 3 gun course or match
4) more 3 gun matches available
5) more rigid safety standards/rulebook

Some or all of the ideas from this thread. Could you pistol shooters please chime in with what if any of these ideas could tempt you into attending 3 gun matches?
 
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If you want to attract more IPSC shooters to 3gun, the two biggest points are:

1) A standard set of rules from a reputable organization like USPSA multigun (3GN to a lesser extent because of the scoring type and power factor). The rules would then need to be inforced consistently.
2) Stage design. No shoot throughs, minimal hosefests from one position, keep the times under 60seconds.

My impression is that many 3gunners (but not all) prefer 3Gun in part because the rules aren't strict and stages are simpler with more of a focus on the 3 guns rather than coming up with a stage plan. Often, accessible to all shooters is more important than a strict adherance to rules. IPSC values strict rules to provide a venue for competition. In my experience each has great people and some that you roll your eyes at.
 
Great thread here. I'll add my perspective as a new shooter who hasn't done either. I was originally drawn to IPSC but after watching a few matches live was kinda like meh. ....and that is no disrespect to the competitors. It's just over so fast and the lack of movement bothers me.

Then I saw some vids of 3gun from our friends down south and was like yeah! I want to see people pushed physically. I want my heart rate elevated and then add the shooting skills on top, even though right now I don't have them.

3gun just seems to be taking off in Canada but I hope we can follow the lead of the US and have exciting, physically demanding competitions in the future.

So my 2 cents, now I'll go practice. ...
 
p3kvic said:
Great thread here. I'll add my perspective as a new shooter who hasn't done either. I was originally drawn to IPSC but after watching a few matches live was kinda like meh. ....and that is no disrespect to the competitors. It's just over so fast and the lack of movement bothers me.

Then I saw some vids of 3gun from our friends down south and was like yeah! I want to see people pushed physically. I want my heart rate elevated and then add the shooting skills on top, even though right now I don't have them.

3gun just seems to be taking off in Canada but I hope we can follow the lead of the US and have exciting, physically demanding competitions in the future.

So my 2 cents, now I'll go practice. ...
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It depends on stage design but the idea in IPSC is to test shooting ability not sprinting speed. Watch the 2017 IPSC World Shoot videos on youtube. There are longer field courses in the mix.
 
Topcon said:
Ok fine but there is supposed to be a three way balance. The context was running 400m - the D and V don’t come into the picture when you run that far if you are limited to 32 rounds.
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Have you ever shot a stage or match where 400y runs are required?

I have, many times. And I can tell you accuracy means much more after that kind of run than any sort of speed you get from the sprint....or at least they are in close balance.

If you don't believe me, try sprinting for just 100y after shooting your handgun, and then try to shoot your rifle accurately. It's a challenge even if you're well conditioned.

And it only takes 3-4 long range rifle shots to present a challenge....well, within the 32 round max.


My only point here is that 3 gun and IPSC (DVC) are not mutually exclusive. And when I say 3 gun I mean multi-gun (3 guns on each and every stage - which right now doesn't really exist in IPSC)
 
Topcon said:
My impression is that many 3gunners (but not all) prefer 3Gun in part because the rules aren't strict and stages are simpler with more of a focus on the 3 guns rather than coming up with a stage plan.
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I respectfully submit that your impression is way off... LoL.

In my experience, the rules encountered at a major 3 gun match are just as "strict" as any other type of shooting game. There may be less fluff and rules for rules sake, but... There are rules and they must be followed.
As far as stage plans go... Well, shoot a decent 3-gun match and learn just how important a good plan is.... I wish I could come up with some LOL
 
Topcon said:
If you want to attract more IPSC shooters to 3gun, the two biggest points are:

1) A standard set of rules from a reputable organization like USPSA multigun (3GN to a lesser extent because of the scoring type and power factor). The rules would then need to be inforced consistently.
2) Stage design. No shoot throughs, minimal hosefests from one position, keep the times under 60seconds.

My impression is that many 3gunners (but not all) prefer 3Gun in part because the rules aren't strict and stages are simpler with more of a focus on the 3 guns rather than coming up with a stage plan. Often, accessible to all shooters is more important than a strict adherance to rules. IPSC values strict rules to provide a venue for competition. In my experience each has great people and some that you roll your eyes at.
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Personally, I have never understood why any of these tactical/practical sports let people walk the course in advance to develop a stage plan at all. If the goal is to be demonstrating practical/defensive/offensive shooting skills, there should be a healthy element of the unknown. Showing everyone where all the targets are in advance, and letting people rehearse before their actual stage always seemed counter productive to me.
 
Cameron SS said:
Personally, I have never understood why any of these tactical/practical sports let people walk the course in advance to develop a stage plan at all. If the goal is to be demonstrating practical/defensive/offensive shooting skills, there should be a healthy element of the unknown. Showing everyone where all the targets are in advance, and letting people rehearse before their actual stage always seemed counter productive to me.
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I thought the same too when I first looked at IPSC before taking the BB course and I think part of getting fast times is part of the strategy planning kinda like a chess game where you can see the entire board and try and develop the best line of attack. The shooter who has the most efficient strategy in clearing the stage can shave off valuable time and can sometimes catch up or beat someone scoring more hit points but with an inefficient line of attack.
 
Cameron SS said:
Personally, I have never understood why any of these tactical/practical sports let people walk the course in advance to develop a stage plan at all. If the goal is to be demonstrating practical/defensive/offensive shooting skills, there should be a healthy element of the unknown. Showing everyone where all the targets are in advance, and letting people rehearse before their actual stage always seemed counter productive to me.
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While it gives an advantage to more experienced shooters it makes it more accessible to new shooters overall. Even with walk-through and knowing all the targets I have seen plenty of new shooters (and experienced shooters... like me at provincials) blow past targets or forget to shoot them under pressure. I have also seen shooters turn around because they forgot a target and get themselves DQ's/point the gun at people. That would only increase if you took stage prep away.

also IPSC stage briefings do not show you all the targets, they tell you how many of each target there are any and stage specific weirdness; it's up to you to find all the targets from the shooting area.
 
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