Why is Beretta so bad?
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Girsan makes Beretta clones that people rave about.
I think that much of the irritation boiled down to A. the U.S. Army and Marines being forced to get with the rest of NATO and adopt the 9x19 (forcing them to adopt a common ammunition inventory? the gall!), B. the 'offset' agreement that gave the contract to an Italian company (albeit made in the USA), C. the relative bulk of the pistol, and D. the early slide failures.
The 92 was used by the Vancouver City Police, no? And the 9x19 is a perfectly serviceable cartridge, even with non-expanding ammo:
http://www.gunweek.com/2005/feature0910.html
A good comparison of the M9 and the CZ-75--another excellent, big, all-steel nine:
http://www.gunweek.com/2002/feature0110.html
I think that much of the irritation boiled down to A. the U.S. Army and Marines being forced to get with the rest of NATO and adopt the 9x19 (forcing them to adopt a common ammunition inventory? the gall!), B. the 'offset' agreement that gave the contract to an Italian company (albeit made in the USA), C. the relative bulk of the pistol, and D. the early slide failures.
The 92 was used by the Vancouver City Police, no? And the 9x19 is a perfectly serviceable cartridge, even with non-expanding ammo:
http://www.gunweek.com/2005/feature0910.html
A good comparison of the M9 and the CZ-75--another excellent, big, all-steel nine:
http://www.gunweek.com/2002/feature0110.html
The question is what it's used for. Military pistols are often carried 'Israeli-style' (Condition Three), and need to be used by people who mostly fire rifles as a back-up long-range weapon. And the pistols often get tossed in a bag, without a holster. Single-action pistols with manual safeties work well for this. Target shooters like light, consistent triggers. But police and security (e.g., cash in transit) are well served by DA/SA, or DAO and striker guns. These are always holstered. For legal and safety issues, heavier triggers are common in these sectors. Under extreme stress, fine motor skill is lost (gross motor strength gets better), and a heavy trigger ensures that a discharge is deliberate. And most defensive handgun uses are at pretty close range, so the accuracy lost to a heavy trigger is an insignificant issue.
A striker-fired pistol can do everything a DA/SA pistol can, while being much easier to learn. Given finite training resources, why choose the platform that most users will have more difficulty with while having no advantage to make up for it? Adequate training is the only proper way to minimize safety/liability risks. No increase in trigger weight is a substitute for keeping your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot. A trigger that you can manage under stress is critical, as Larry Vickers points out:
http://vickerstactical.com/tactical-tips/trigger-pull-weight/
I listed a conventional single action (eg. 1911, BHP) as another example of a system with one type of trigger pull. While I think this is a perfectly fine manual of arms (assuming an ergonomic manual safety) from a usability standpoint, it is mostly found in "legacy" designs, with their attendant disadvantages in terms of maintenance requirements. For this reason, the striker guns, with their "good enough" triggers are a better choice for most users.
I believe someone bought one recently. Try the search tool and you should be able to find it.
My Beretta 92fs stainless (Italy) was the first handgun I owned.I found a pair of the y2k rosewood grips with the gold trident inlay.Looks great..I have never had I failure of any kind with this gun.I will probably not part with this one..
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theyre just big and bulky i cant shoot it for 
the only reason i bought one was to have a beretta and my cousin who never shoots handguns unless he is with me has huge hands and can outshoot me with the damn thing but i can outshoot him with my 1911
the only reason i bought one was to have a beretta and my cousin who never shoots handguns unless he is with me has huge hands and can outshoot me with the damn thing but i can outshoot him with my 1911
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Either there was something wrong with your Beretta or you can't shoot.
The Beretta was far from being my first or only handgun, it was just crap.
For those complaining about the SA/DA vs. striker-fired tupperware and the 9mm being too anaemic... This:
Smoothest trigger I own. Every pull the same, too.
Oh, and a good bit more compact than the FS variant.
Same trigger pull every time for the first 10,000 rounds.
The 10,001st round typically feels like the pistol disintegrating, though.
Tell that to the various agencies that issued the .40 berettas (notably INS/Border Patrol in the 90s). Standing policy was to take the gun out of service at 10,000 rounds because they were worn out and unreliable by that time.
Incidents related to the .40 Beretta were why Todd Green ended up quitting there IIRC...believe Beretta refused to build the Vertec to handle the .40 and Todd had had it. Beretta's lost LE market share relates in part to the abysmal failure of their .40 guns...they spent the 90s trying to talk LE orgs in to going with 9mm guns because their stuff in .40 didn't work, and they knew it.
When and how is it acceptable to replace a critical part frequently on a service gun? No other common service pistol requires the lock block to be replaced. In fact, no other common service pistol has a 3 piece locking lug. Can anyone explain why a beretta needs 64 pieces to function whereas a SIG only needs 55 or a Glock with 35? What's with the exposed barrel? I hear its a feature in the very unlikely event you have no magazine you are then able to single load the chamber. Nothing but pure gimmick right there. And for having a minimalist slide they still weigh a ton. The exposed trigger bar is a nice touch, as is the poorly placed slide mounted safety/decocker that makes running the slide a real pain in the ***. The high bore axis is crap and the DA/SA trigger and exposed hammer are outdated designs.
TDC
