Why no love for the Springfield Socom 16?

Brobee is another M14 guy who has a lot of credibility,
and he says:
One of the things I like bout the M1A type rifle is that each one seems to have their own charracter. What makes one shoot better than another? there is as much art/chance involved as science

YEP!
definitely more VOODOO than SCIENCE!

I have built a batch of five M14 shorties at once, all as similar as I can make them, and three will shoot well, and one will be moa, and one will not do better than 2-3".

One shorty will love any ammo you feed it, and the other might have one favorite load, that gives spectacular results, and it dislikes almost everything else.

I even had one M14 shorty that shot moa with South African Ball ...
and ALL my other shorties HATE SA Ball.

Go Figger?

Brobee seems to have had better luck with his[ 8 ] Springfields than I did with my[ 5 ]. When it comes to either SA, or Chinese M14 clones,
quality control can be all over the place.

Irregardless of the cast VS forged debate, which is mostly moot any way, as a builder, I'd rather start off a build with a dimensionally IN SPEC receiver, that will take GI parts with little to no fitting.

And that receiver would NOT be an SA.
Of course,
YPMMV
LAZ 1

 
Laz,

"as a builder, I'd rather start off a build with a dimensionally IN SPEC receiver, that will take GI parts with little to no fitting."

Your emphasis on builder here makes sense to me... As you know, I like my SOCOM, with it's spec or otherwise receiver. I have no intention of mating its receiver with parts other than the ones it came with, and so as long as it runs reliably (which it does) and doesn't break (which it better not!) I don't have the same consideration set that you do... as a builder.

As for the cast vs. forged debate, we agree... a properly cast part will provide proper service.

And as I have posted elsewhere (some time ago)... according to a published third party resource, if one is looking to build an M14 / M1A the receiver(s) of choice(s) would be (and in this order) Fulton Armory, Norc/Poly and Springfield... the rationale applied having everything to do with "spec".

The SOCOM may be a spec unto itself but in isolation that's ok by me.
 
I have seen -

For many years the M14's of choice at Camp Perry were built on Norinco receivers -

Everything else was everything BUT norinco ! :eek:
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Regardess of how compelling ones facts are or the amount of historical and practical experience one has obtained, if a person cannot articulate themselves like an adult without breaking down into a frothing, estrogen-packed hissy fit they lose a significant amount of credibility.

The SOCOM with its benefits and failings are not in question and were well presented with the expection one one.

Not everyone wants the fat, homely wife regardless of how well she can cook. For many it's style and form over function, particularily with some of our younger and younger at heart members whom may have less experience and look to the responsible elder membership for guideance and input, which fosters interest in Canadian firearm ownership in general.

To fault a fellow member for appreciating a tactical rig is juvenile(regardless of ones age). It's not more acceptible than insinuating anyone who prefers a classic M14 is a diaper wearing, denture smacking, impotent has-been... its just not true or fair.

If you want respect for your opinions young man(maturity level... not age) you have to be prepared to give it. You'd think a some one who dwells in shorty ARs and shortening M14's would understand that... right Laz?
 
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Satain,
thanks for bringing a reminder that a certain level of maturity IS expected in these discussions,
otherwise they degenerate into exactly that
"my dad ... your Dad .." scenario.

PS: MY DAD IS DEAD ...
thanks for reminding me on my birthday,
thereby ruining this once a year special time for me.
Have a nice day.
[;{((
 [ SAD Smiley face with trembling lower lip ]
LAZ 1

PS:
Fulton Armory semi-auto M14 Receiver, Stripped
—marked "U.S. Rifle 7.62 MM M14"
and won't that cause consternation amongst the masses with both beuracracies, Yank and Canuck, if anyone tried to import/export an M 14 receiver across the border ...
UNOBTAINIUM PLUS!!!!

PPS:
Fulton Armory U.S. Rifle, Cal. 7.62MM, M14 SOCOM aka
The real SOCOM! In-theater, combat-tested!

- 22" 1x12 or 18.5" 1x10 Fulton Armory NM-quality lightweight barrel,
so Fulton builds their version of a SOCOM
[ real SOCOM! In-theater, combat-tested! ]
with an 18 1/2" barrel.

So perhaps Sean's point about the crippling effects of a 16" barrel on 7.62 NATO ammo, are relevant and to the point?

And to anyone with a 16" SOCOM ....
well we all know size doesn't really matter ...
it is what you do with it that counts ...
right?

At least that is what all the guys with ...
short barrels ...
keep telling themselves, any way.

Yep, short barrel syndrome ...
we've all seen it ...
in other people ...
and it is so sad.
[;{(
LAZ 1
 
Incorrigible,
My CREDIBILTY is bigger than your credibility!!!
And just because I am still in touch with the child within,
and you ain't,
is no cause for you to be jealous.

And who are you to call my wife "FAT"?
As for HOMELY,
I'll have you know that in her lonnnnng ago youth, she was a cheerleader for a CFL foot ball team, and a fashion model [ no underwear modelling cause she is modest as well as formerly beautiful ]. And since she is the same age as me, I can't complain about her wrinkles or sags ... or she might make me look in the mirror.
[;{(
EEEEEW YECHHH!

And her recent weight gain is due primarily to her ongoing Thyroid condition, and possibly due to the fact that we celebrate Christmas TWICE, with both the Julian and Gregorian calendars. But we have both signed up for yoga classes in the New year, so any apparent plumpness is just temporary.

But I love her just the same ... more of her to love ... and that old cliche about how "Fat girls need love too ... and they appreciate it more ..."
welllll lets just say that it may be true.

As for your personal attack on me ....
" anyone who prefers a classic M14 is a diaper wearing, denture smacking, impotent has-been... ."

The diaper part is true, and maybe the has been, cause the last time I stopped by a MMA class, I only beat two out three of the half my age black belts there. In the good ol days, I would have beat all three.

But I've still got all my teeth and the one time I tried ###### [ just as an experiment you know ]... it only gave me a massive head ache ... at both ends.


If you want respect for your opinions young man(maturity level... not age), you have to stop these personal attacks on people with opinons that differ from yours
aka pot, stop calling ME black.

have a nice day,
I am ...
I'll finish up a couple of M14 shorties,
[ I love the sound of the Chop saw in the morning ]
and maybe tomorrow take them and my shorty AR [ with its massive 10.5" barrel ] out to the range,
hook up one of those rat tat tat thingies to the trigger guard,
and make some noise!

It doesn't really matter if I put any HOLES IN THE TARGET ...
just so long as my shorty is louder and more annoying than any one else shorty ...and I get my ammo to spit out faster than any one else's ammo.
YEP I'll be the most TACTICOOL dude on the range .... NO ... wait a minute ... I'll be shooting a chopped NORC ... instead of a less reliable, MORE EXPENSIVE CAST receiver SA MUTANT DWARF ... so I'll lose a few Tacticool points there ... but once I start up, most of the other sissies will leave the range .....
so I win by default!!!

PS: as for the estrogen treatments ...and who told you about that? ....
the Dr told me they would calm me down ...
i think they are really helping, don't you??
LAZ 1
[;{)
 
surfer365 said:
:agree:

I'm really glad I asked! Maybe I should keep my EE purchases to myself from now on.
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Hopefully one individual who wasn't raised right doesn't put you off from asking valid questions. There's a lot of genuinely helpful experience to draw on from members from this site.

A very few codgers are of the opinion that if you haven't learned in 5 years what they've learned in 40 that you're clearly an idiot. Keep asking the questions, you'll get the answers. But as in life, always be prepared to have your douche filter ready to deploy though:D
 
This thread has definately been taken to a low not often seen here in the MBR forum. I'm sure there are many of us that are greatly entertained but also very disappointed.

Regardless of your love or hate for springfield and the socom, it is a member of the m14type platform that has it's place in the market. Some will buy cuz it looks cool, fires a big bullet and is short. Others because it's a springfield and american made.
There are other good reasons to own a non chinese rifle, for me, and why I considered a sprinfield recently, was my desire to take my rifle south of the border to shoot with my friends. Can't do that with a chinese receivered rifle. I settled on LRB for their hammer forged, integral scope rail M25 receiver. I find this receiver to be the best choice for my needs and the quality is outstanding. I was not impressed with the build quality of the first complete LRB rifle sent my way for inspection. It would not have made it off my bench. So, I wouldn't get LRB to build my rifle but would gladly use their receiver.
If you like a gun, a car, a painting, whatever, buy it, enjoy it, pass on your experience..... And the ranting naysayers be damned
 
I love almost every type of M14, M305 rifle there is ... and had the opportunity to handle, shoot all types of them ... I own a springfield M1A and a norinco M305 ... friends have own both and 18.5 shorties, etc ... catworks from the board owned a SOCOM and honestly it was too loud, too heavy to enjoy shooting ... I loved the brake that kept the front end down but damn did it make your head ring ... I'm tryna do a 18.5 build and hope it's not too loud for me. To each their own like the Doctor says above ... ;)

Otokiak
Rankin Inlet, NU
CANADA
 
After all is said and done,
Surfer DID ask ....
"Why no love for the Springfield Socom 16?"
So I told him why.
"Yes ma'am ... your baby really is FUGLY!!!
No baby beauty contest winner for you ... don't bother even entering it."

Sometimes the truth hurts ...

And Spenom DID reply,
with a pic of his "SOCOMed" SKS,
which is actually pretty cool,
and probably a MUCH better Tactical / Practical carbine than the SOCOM ever will be ... at 1/10 th the price. Spenom's SKS is going to be the template for a couple of SKS builds I'm doing for myself and a buddy. If "imitation is the most sincere form of flattery", then I guess Spenom should be sincerely flattered ...
but what does that say, at a deep philosophical level, about me and my buddy ...
copying a copy of a copy ...
of a bad idea in the first place???

KENJUUDO did say,
"Can you make a Poly into something comparable to a SOCOM... absolutely... but not with a $450.00 rail arrangement... you would have to spend as much or more as you would have on the SOCOM alone in order to do it right.",
and Kenjuudo is WRONG. I could do this easily, and have some BIG $$$ left over. And anyone who thinks the SA rail is worth $ 450 ....
well they have more $$ than brains.
wrong is wrong.

QUAPAGUY DID say,
"The only guys who disrespect the Socom are guys who don't own one. "
WRONG!
Maybe they don't own one because they are experienced enough and smart enough to disrespect it without having to suffer through the agony of actual ownership.
wrong, Wrong, WRONG!

then he went on to gush lovingly,
"All the guys with their little AR's going "pop pop" like cap guns will look over enviously when they hear the "thud thud" of Godzilla beating his chest next to them. Comparing a Norc to the real deal is kinda like comparing a Hyundai Tiburon to a Porsche 911.. just a cheap copy. Yeah, they saved some bucks, but you know what, some things in life you do get what you pay for."

This is just so wrong on so many levels ... all I can say is that yes, you do sometimes get what you pay for ... but not with a SOCOM.
If you bought a SOCOM, you paid too much for too little.
Shoiud have bought a Mini 30 ...
or do up an SKS like Spenoms.

Thomas said,
This thread has definately been taken to a low not often seen here in the MBR forum. I'm sure there are many of us that are greatly entertained but also very disappointed.
Well if the truth be told, Thomas, I didn't decide to quit posting in the BR forum because I was sick of the M14 rifles. It was more because I was sick of the level that the M14 forum had already sunk to. But just like scratching a cancerous mole, I can't seem to leave it alone no matter how much I want to..

I am glad that you appreciate my attempts at livening it up a bit. Maybe SARCASM and PARODY are NOT lost arts after all. And maybe .... Gawd forbid I hurt any body's feelings ... people will be a little more shy about posting about how they think " this gun is SOooooo ###y! And that guns is Sooooo Tacticool!

Face it kiddies ... if you really think a gun is "###y", you need professional help. Hopefully when you REALLY think "###y", you are thinking females of the Human race here. Guns are NOT ###y. They are occasionally instruments of pleasure, and they can be mysterious and frustrating, just like the female of the species.
But GUNS DO NOT = ###Y!
And "TACTICOOL is more than a short barrel.

However,
after saying all that,
YPMMV,
and any advice you get on the internet may be worth a LOT less than you paid for it,
so why are you wasting your time listening to my opinions?

Thomas also said,
If you like a gun, a car, a painting, whatever, buy it, enjoy it, pass on your experience..... And the ranting naysayers be damned.

Now THAT is some damn good advice.
[;{)
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Lazerus2000 said:
Face it kiddies ... if you really think a gun is "###y", you need professional help. Hopefully when you REALLY think "###y", you are thinking females of the Human race here. Guns are NOT ###y. They are occasionally instruments of pleasure, and they can be mysterious and frustrating, just like the female of the species.
But GUNS DO NOT = ###Y!
And "TACTICOOL is more than a short barrel.
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You know, I've heard you say that a lot of times.

But I thought I might as well throw this out there before this thread gets locked for various idiocies:

"###y" has two basic definitions. One is the one you use exclusively: ###ually arousing.

The other is simply "appealing".

The second is a pretty common definition, and I've always been surprised you didn't know that.

I find a lot of guns appealing. I did ask a psychiatrist friend of mine one time if she thought it was strange to find a well-crafted machine appealing.

But apparently it is totally normal. So you should probably either get a new dictionary, or, if it's more convenient, just use whichever one you already have to look up words before you use them, particularly if you're planning on placing them in a frequently-repeated rant about how people other than you need some form of help.
 
misanthropist,

You are probably spot on. I think when Laz said he was not going to be posting on the MBR forum in the new year was like every other person who's done similar posts. Simply a attention seeker. Sometimes caused by a personal insecurity. And the way he is going about attacking every poster he can on this thread makes me wonder if he is the one that needs to seek help.

Maybe it would have been best if he simply carried out what he said he was going to do and stop posting here.

Dimitri
 
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