Why the muzzle brake hatred?

I'm going to brake my 177 because the recoil is unbearable......:jerkit:

I have never seen anyone use a muzzlebrake for hunting, I thought those were reserved for range ninjas that owned nothing but 1/4 MOA "sniper rifles"

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Man I am with you. I took my boys ( ages 5 and 7) up to the range this summer. I had bought them a Savage rascal .22 and they wanted to try it. When we get there a fella is shooting a Browning .308 similar to the Ruger Scout. He had put a muzzle break on it and a huge 2 foot long, 24 power scope. Now he was shooting the gun at 25 yards. Anyway my boys and I put on our ear and eye protection. The boys have muffs that fit their little heads and are really good. Well this guy takes a shot and my boys pretty much crap themselves. As I am setting up they go back into the truck as the noise was unbelievable. I get set up and my boys just want to go home. I wasn't getting them out of that truck for the life of me, even after the guy left. They were freaked and my whole head was ringing from the noise.
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So one inconsiderate person ruined a family outing for you, and likely will result in your boys not wanting to go shooting with you again. Isn't that great for the sport? The person you describe sounds just like a person that I encountered at our local range. He has a "tactical" style rifle, a huge scope, and he spent his entire shooting session, shooting at 25 yards. If nothing else, he did provide some amusement for the regular shooters.
 
I just bought a rifle that came braked from the factory, i can't wait to try it out by the way!:D Whether people like them or not, it's a matter of personal preference. I don't think that anyone has the right to say that braked rifles don't belong at the range, we all pay range fees. However, people with braked rifles need to be a bit more courteous from the sounds of things.
Even though this guy was there first, he should have packed things in when he seen you arrive with your boys. I'll probably get lots of flack for my option, so be it. Common courteousy goes a long way, the last thing I would want do is turn young shooters off of the sport!
 
I don't think that anyone has the right to say that braked rifles don't belong at the range, we all pay range fees.
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The executive most certainly does have that right. If they are receiving complaints that a few inconsiderate individuals are causing issues for many other members , they can decide to enact rules concerning muzzle brakes, and even ban them if they so decide.
 
stubblejumper said:
The executive most certainly does have that right. If they are receiving complaints that a few inconsiderate individuals are causing issues for many other members , they can decide to enact rules concerning muzzle brakes, and even ban them if they so decide.
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Whoa whoa whoa, lighten up a little pal. I think everyone knows that the Execs do in fact have that power. I'm assuming by your response that you are on the executive at your local range, hence the standoffish reply. Power trippin' a bit are we? Anyhow, if you re-read my post you can see that I am in favour of taking others into consideration. Cheers and chillax!
 
I think everyone knows that the Execs do in fact have that power.
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Yet your statement below states quite plainly

I don't think that anyone has the right to say that braked rifles don't belong at the range
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It is the responsibility of the executive to ensure that all members have the opportunity to enjoy the facilities, so that the actions of a few individuals don't ruin it for the majority.

I am not presently on the executive, but I am an RSO, and I see far too many instances of individuals interfering with other members, as in having brakes blowing materials off of other benches, and in letting their ejected brass strike other members. Some people feel that they have the right to do as they please ,regardless of how it effects other members, just because they are a member. It's really just a matter of having consideration for other members, unfortunately, some people have absolutely no consideration for anyone but themselves.
 
stubblejumper said:
Yet your statement below states quite plainly



It is the responsibility of the executive to ensure that all members have the opportunity to enjoy the facilities, so that the actions of a few individuals don't ruin it for the majority.

I am not presently on the executive, but I am an RSO, and I see far too many instances of individuals interfering with other members, as in having brakes blowing materials off of other benches, and in letting their ejected brass strike other members. Some people feel that they have the right to do as they please ,regardless of how it effects other members, just because they are a member. It's really just a matter of having consideration for other members, unfortunately, some people have absolutely no consideration for anyone but themselves.
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Is there anything being done to correct the assclowns at our range? I tend to avoid the rifle range for that reason, as i can go to the pistol bays and have the bay all to myself. Maybe some rules like no muzzel brakes should be posted right at the rifle range.
 
stubblejumper said:
Yet your statement below states quite plainly



It is the responsibility of the executive to ensure that all members have the opportunity to enjoy the facilities, so that the actions of a few individuals don't ruin it for the majority.

I am not presently on the executive, but I am an RSO, and I see far too many instances of individuals interfering with other members, as in having brakes blowing materials off of other benches, and in letting their ejected brass strike other members. Some people feel that they have the right to do as they please ,regardless of how it effects other members, just because they are a member. It's really just a matter of having consideration for other members, unfortunately, some people have absolutely no consideration for anyone but themselves.
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Is it just me??? I thought that's what I had said, but in a slightly more condensed version. Obviously you feel that you need to have the last word, so after you next response I will not reply.:) It seems to me that you are just looking to argue about mute points. If I confused you I apologize, everyone knows that the Executive has the right or power(whichever you choose to call it) to regulate. However, I was referring to us common members as to not having the right to condemn those with muzzle brakes. From here on out I will try to be very direct and concise with my posts. Have a nice day. ;)
 
Is there anything being done to correct the assclowns at our range? I tend to avoid the rifle range for that reason, as i can go to the pistol bays and have the bay all to myself. Maybe some rules like no muzzel brakes should be posted right at the rifle range.
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I am hearing more and more complaints, and people are getting very annoyed by the behavior of some members, as well as of the vandalism and damage.Some people are bringing along four of five guests at a time, and are taking up three or four benches. I have found ten year olds unattended ,shooting firearms, while the parent was five benches down, doing his own shooting. Groups of unrelated people are purchasing one membership, and are sharing the key. Show up at the annual meeting, and I an thinking that you will see some changes in the executive, and more effort to deal with the issues.

However, I was referring to us common members as to not having the right to condemn those with muzzle brakes.
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The executive does the voting, but every member has the right to express their opinion, just as every member has the right, and actually the responsibility to intervene when unsafe activities are taking place on the range, or when members are not following the range rules.
 
stubblejumper said:
I am hearing more and more complaints, and people are getting very annoyed by the behavior of some members, as well as of the vandalism and damage. Show up at the annual meeting, and I an thinking that you will see some changes in the executive, and more effort to deal with the issues.
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Yes, I certainly need to get to a few meetings. Ive seen guys shooting rifles in the pistol bays, pistols in the rifles bays and pistols in the rimfire range. Needless to say everybody I saw i told them to stop and that they were not allowed to be doing that. They all complied.

I sent an email to Wille ( when he was pres) about RCMP using shotguns in the pistol bays. How can you say to a regular member you cant use that here when the RCMP use them in the pistol bays when doing their qualifications. I never got a reply.
 
i sat beside someone with a break last week. it was definity louder
and you got alot of pressure coming in my direction but the guy was not shooting that frequently so i wasnt bothered much. i double my ear protection so i think i am safe in the hearing department but alot of other people shooting do not so i could see why they might get pissed.
 
stubblejumper said:
So one inconsiderate person ruined a family outing for you, and likely will result in your boys not wanting to go shooting with you again. Isn't that great for the sport? The person you describe sounds just like a person that I encountered at our local range. He has a "tactical" style rifle, a huge scope, and he spent his entire shooting session, shooting at 25 yards. If nothing else, he did provide some amusement for the regular shooters.
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My older boy is sure not gung ho to go again, it freaked him out. The younger boy went deaf after that so he doesn't care :) But seriously a braked .308 with a scope the size of the rifle ?????? I am not sure what would make anyone want such a gun but as the saying goes "to each his own".
 
jacky said:
...But seriously a braked .308 with a scope the size of the rifle ?????? I am not sure what would make anyone want such a gun but as the saying goes "to each his own".
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GunNewb said:
I just learned about muzzle brakes and read this field and stream article... http://www.fieldandstream.com/node/1000312299

It's hunters ragging on muzzle breaks. Im new to this- it reduces recoil substantially and makes the gun louder- when you should be wearing hearing protection anyway. You can even take it off the rifle when hunting and put it back on when you hit the range, allowing you to practice up with your ridiculous magnum or just enjoy a reasonable calibre (30-06).


Is this just fuddery protesting newfangled technology that results in better shooting; or is there a reason why muzzle brakes arent awesome?
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if you do a small amount of research you will find out many ways to reduce felt reoil WITHOUT a muzzle brake .

unfortunatly most muzzle brakes now are nothing more than a piece of usless jewelry that the owner put there in a attempt to make their gun look cool .

if you zero your rifle out at the range with the muzzle brake , then remove it for hunting , it is very likely your point of impact will change .
 
I just finished reading all the posts, and the one thing that is very apparent is that very few of you have identified any issues with a muzzle brake. But 98% of you have commented (complained) that you have issues with muzzle brakes AT THE RANGE. As this is a hunting forum and not a range etiqutte forum, I fail to see the connection between the to.

To the OP's muzzle brakes can be an affective tool in controlling the recoil and muzzle jump of your rifle, this can be very benefical to your hunting in identifying shot placement and (1)faster follow up shots if needed; (2)it also gives you an earlier indication of which direction your game has gone. (point 1 this benefit is dimineshed the closer the game is to the shooter).

Other pluses are that you can go to a larger calibre for example from a 308 to a 300 win mag or 338 win or something that has more effective knock down power but still have managable recoil of a less efficient rifle.

Downside to brakes they are noisy. Depending on what you read the increase in db can be between 5-10 db or 10% increase. hearing protection should be worn when shooting rifles with brakes, even in the field.

To everyone else that commented on guys shooting muzzle brakes next to them i ask this question. What did you do about it, did you ask the shooter to wait until you finished your last few shots, did you ask him to move down a few more benches or say let me get my other set of hearing protection. Or did you just get up pissed and come on here and grip about some A hole who was shooting a brake next to you.

To Stubblejumper if you are a range executive i am a little suprised by your comments. your position about brakes being a problem is miss directed and worrisome, it never the equipment that is the problem but the people using the equipment (don't we already have to deal with enough of this BS as firearms owners) see your comment about if enough people have a problem with them then vote and ban would be possible.

To agilent_one
nice rifle I hope you enjoy shooting it. I think you have read enough posts by now that you know you need to be mindful of other shooters at the range around you.

Take care and good shooting
Trevor
 
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