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Will AR15 become NON RESTRICTED??
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't think of a single semi centrefire rifle off the top of my head that you can buy NR, then just go online and buy an after market <18" barrel for, without a license, and pop it on. I know I could be in left field, but thats my interpretation of why they are Rated R, and I'd be curious of what quick change rifles you're thinking about.
Yeah, but are you suggesting that I can buy an NR XCR then get a 10" QC barrel for it online without a license, then just pop it on, and the rifle is still NR ?
All you can get that I can find to swap out are the same length NR barrels, jsut in diff calibres.
You don't need a license to buy a barrel. Though some businesses may request you have one if they are selling you a restricted length barrel. I bought a 14.5" barrel for my Tavor without showing my license and yes I popped it on my Tavor. Whether or not the Tavor became restricted the moment I put it on is a grey area, since I put the regular barrel back on within minutes of putting the 14.5" on.
So we insist on grown up laws for the AR etc. How about a tax system like down south? But it would revolve around the rifle being 26" overall. Anything under, you pay a little to carry it around the farm, or anywhere you take a rifle now. See? Easy fix.
skinnadoor
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The Tori's had a closed door meeting a while back, discussing the revamping of the current restricted firearms and the firearms that were prohibited based on looks. They are working on reversing the old as policy from the early 90's. There was an article on CBC, google it.
Soon enough it will be non-restricted, be patient.
Soon enough it will be non-restricted, be patient.
G.Mitchell
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I am not totally opposed to gun laws...
I have lived and owned guns under both the Canadian system and the US system.
There are pros and cons to both.
I don't see our system going away. Maybe we can get a system more like New Zealand where we still have classes but each class has real benefits, I mean they can have standard capacity mags and sound suppressors, I am totally fine with the PAL/POL system if we get freedoms like that.
Our system is a total abuse of power and strips a huge variety of the rights we are guaranteed...
Maybe someday it'll change. Hopefully...
I have lived and owned guns under both the Canadian system and the US system.
There are pros and cons to both.
I don't see our system going away. Maybe we can get a system more like New Zealand where we still have classes but each class has real benefits, I mean they can have standard capacity mags and sound suppressors, I am totally fine with the PAL/POL system if we get freedoms like that.
Our system is a total abuse of power and strips a huge variety of the rights we are guaranteed...
Maybe someday it'll change. Hopefully...
G.Mitchell
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Grande Prairie Alberta
Can you provide more details? Link? I've looked without any luck.
andrew3081
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How is putting a 14.5inch barrel on the travor a grey area? Anything under 18inch is restricted. I do not think your logic/explanation will work in front of the judge.
It is liking saying I can run a stop sign in the car when no one is around.
Does it matter if the AR15 can be chambered in 7.62 or not? Still cant hunt with it because it is restricted.
Most people's AR15 will be restricted anyways if they remove the restricted by name rule. Most people have 14 inch to 16 inch barrels...which is shorter than 18 inch.
It's a grey area because if read the regs you have 48 hours to notify the CFO of the class change so if you change the barrel back to greater or equal to 18.5 inches in less than 48 hours its non restricted. Secondly barrels less than 18.5 inch are restricted not 18 inches.
That's probably a primary reason they are Rated R right there. It's almost like what's the point. Probably just keeps things simple for the RCMP.
As far as the 48 hour grey area goes, I don't know the details of that law offhand, but I'd be willing bet it's illegal to use the gun during that time until you've called it in.
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Haha, how often does this topic come up?
Serious discussion? Probably about once every 3 months.
I figured this topic was completely swept under the carpet by the CPC what with the complete lack of action on this front. However, this review committee business may mean something is actually happening. If you can manage to corner a CPC MP, they will usually admit that they want the same things we do, problem is getting these major goals of ours off the ground and into action.
I really hope the AR-15 becomes NR, dealing with the added restrictions and the ATT is the primary reason why I haven't put it on the top of my list. The reasoning behind restricting it is weak as well, one of the primary things I brought up writing to Cheryl Gallant.
In comment to the changing of the uppers from say a non-restricted size, 18.5-20 inch barrels to a restricted size 16, 14, 12, 10 etc. would it not make sense (and I know, I know our laws aren't the most logical ones in the world) to have to have a license to buy those uppers? would that not solve the whole issue? just my 0.02...
Despite being skeptical or perhaps cynical regarding what the CPC will do to further rationalize our gun laws, I was very pleased to see that Ms. Gallant was inviting input. To continue along my cynical line, as A former Montrealer, I was bound to repeat anything negative I had heard with respect to the city of Toronto. One of these slams went something like this: "You can do anything you want in Toronto except have fun." If a cynic were to go through what we have to live with to enjoy our hobby and sports, he might concluded that part of the focus of the laws is to make sure we pay through the nose for our entertainment. I gave Ms. Gallant the example of having to get an ATT to get a gun to the Post Office. I have been able to transport one of my pistols all over the province for years but the moment that I transferred it to a member of this forum that purchased it on the EE, I became untrustworthy to transport it 300 yards down the road where I live to the PO.
As many of us know, the AR is possibly the gun that delivers the most fun of ownership of all the .223's out there. Someone involved in making it restricted must have known that too.
The AR15 wasn't restricted because of barrel length. When it was restricted, all of them had 20" barrels and non restricted. The 16" barrel AR15 were already restricted. The Liberal Government just added the 20" models to the list by using AR15 and all model types of AR15's will be restricted. Then the 20" model was made non restricted and the Liberals came back and made it restricted again.
I'm not suggesting it, I'm stating it. You can buy them at a few Canadian dealers. And you can also buy the XCR pistols. Like anything else, the only part of an XCR pistol that is registered is the lower receiver. You can legally buy an XCR pistol and legally sell your upper to anyone you wish, without a license being necessary as the upper is not a registered or regulated part of the rifle in an of itself. A pistol upper will fit on a non restricted lower perfectly and, voila, you have pocket rifle that started out a a non restricted.
http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/details/1320/Robinson-Armament-XCR-L-Micro-Pistol-223-Black.aspx
My entire point here is that the argument that you can do that with the AR platform is BS since you can do that with many other non-restricted platforms ( i.e. XCR, Tavor). Therefore, what is to keep the government from not making the AR platform non-restricted as well?
