Wk180c issues and problems

Just spoke with kodiak and did that 0-ring from the kit fix for the extractor spring. Hopefully that will resolve the issue.

Since I never got said o-ring would you happen to know the size (I know, you've already installed it - lol....), and can you tell us exactly where it goes?

Anyone with one from their spares kit care to measure the o-ring for me.

It's not shown on the parts diagram in the manual...... unless it is the 'optional' #5 D-ring which is an AR-15 part used to multiply the extractor spring tension.
 
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Since I never got said o-ring would you happen to know the size (I know, you've already installed it - lol....), and can you tell us exactly where it goes?

Anyone with one from their spares kit care to measure the o-ring for me.

It's not shown on the parts diagram in the manual...... unless it is the 'optional' #5 D-ring which is an AR-15 part used to multiply the extractor spring tension.

Yes, I think that exactly what it is. It goes on the extractor spring like wearing an inner tube for swimming. From it's positioning it is used as a spring force multiplier. Just give Owen a call at Kodiak and he can send you one along.

The WK may have a couple of bugs, but their customer service is top notch. Just email them, and they will get back to you asap. (service@kodiakdefence.com)

I would measure it for you, but I just installed the sucker. Takes a lot of force to get the retainer pin back in....so I kind of reluctant to pull it apart again.

I have no clue how to attach an image or would send you along the picture kodiak sent me.
 
Thanks Cee-8 you confirmed what it is - they put a 2 cent o-ring in the kit, not the $12.00 D-ring they mention in the manual.

It goes over the extractor spring...
 
Finally went to the range to test this "free float" set up in hopes for better and more consistent groups. Also to see if the "problem" of gas block touching the factory handguard had any effects on accuracy.

I posted the modifications in previous posts.

Setup:
- rifle, bipod, rear rest, modified handguard, modified grip, 10 round ATRS mags and 1 Magpul 5 rounder
- milspec Stag 10 trigger about 5lb pull
- Hornady Steel Match ammo 55gr
- 50 meters and 100 meters (the app is in yards.i should've put in 109 yards to get slightly better numbers)
- I shot 51 rounds at 50m, gave it 5 minutes to cool down, then 12 shots at 100m
- I waited 5 seconds between each shot. And 30 seconds between each group.
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Scope:
- Vector Optics 1-8X24 with a horseshoe reticle and 2 MOA center dot
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Results: (groups highlighted in blue are with a "cold" barrel)
50 meters top sheet
- group A: a 3 shot group
- group 1: first 5 shot group
- rest of the groups are shot in sequence
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50 meters bottom sheet (after 5 minutes of cool down)
- group A: a 3 shot group
- group 1: first 5 shot group
- rest of the groups are shot in sequence
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100 meters ( after 5 minutes of cool down)
- all 3 shot groups
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Summary:
- 3 shot groups will be consistent between 1 and 1.5 MOA
- 5 shot groups will be consistent between 1.5 and 2 MOA
- once the barrel is warm the groups open up quickly, as expected of a lightweight barrel
- Based on my findings and ability, I believe the rifle with factory handguard can be accurate, but not consistent (I was getting some good groupings but there were always a "flyer" no matter how hard I tried). I believe free-floating the gas block improves consistency, and perhaps accuracy as well
- I believe with a lighter match trigger and higher power scope, the groups can be even better
- Wolverine did a great job with the concept of a lightweight, simple, accurate, and affordable NR modern hunting rifle. Maybe a slimmer profile gas block for future rifles, and a longer handguard (13"?) would make it even better
 
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Wow. Well presented. I appreciate you sharing your results and commend you for your efforts.

So, with a bit of work, this rifle can almost be a DMR.

If you had a bit more optical horse power on top those groups would tighten up even more.

I was just wondering if the original hand guard could be modified by opening up the "gas piston access". Probably have to extend it rearward and mill out the top rail like you have done with your Troy. It would be a lot of work and I don't have the tools in the shop to do as decent a job as you.

When I head back to the range to see if this extraction issue has been resolved, I may mount my bushnell AR Scope 4.5-18 and see what kind of groups I get. Won't be as impressive as your free float I suspect.

For what it's worth, the AR scope line front Bushnell are probably the best value on the market today. Optics are very good. They track well. Come equipped with a fold down lever to adjust the power and more importantly a side focus/parallax adjustment from 10m to infinity.

There built tough. You can even use them on magnum springer air rifles that can destroy regular scopes.
 
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FWIW I found with the cheap Federal bulk 55 grain it is a 2 MOA rifle.

The 1:8 twist wants something heavier.

With 68 grain Hornady Match handloads I was able to get sub MOA after my upper came back from Kodiak for a a re-ream (I have an early rifle that was done with the out of spec reamer).
The gas block was also milled by Kodiak to keep it clear of the hand guard.

The potential is there. FYI the squares are less than 1" due to how my LGS gets them printed.



I put a $90 ALG trigger in it.
 
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Finally went to the range to test this "free float" set up in hopes for better and more consistent groups. Also to see if the "problem" of gas block touching the factory handguard had any effects on accuracy.

I posted the modifications in previous posts.

Setup:
- rifle, bipod, rear rest, modified handguard, modified grip, 10 round ATRS mags and 1 Magpul 5 rounder
- milspec Stag 10 trigger about 5lb pull
- Hornady Steel Match ammo 55gr
- 50 meters and 100 meters (the app is in yards)
- I shot 51 rounds at 50m, gave it 5 minutes to cool down, then 12 shots at 100m
- I waited 5 seconds between each shot. And 30 seconds between each group.
46029502995_9686e48dd9_h.jpg


Scope:
- Vector Optics 1-8X24 with a horseshoe reticle and 2 MOA center dot
32002465757_8d116a003a_b.jpg


Results: (groups highlighted in blue are with a "cold" barrel)
50 meters top sheet
- group A: a 3 shot group
- group 1: first 5 shot group
- rest of the groups are shot in sequence
46218875764_8bbff14bd7_o.jpg


50 meters bottom sheet (after 5 minutes of cool down)
- group A: a 3 shot group
- group 1: first 5 shot group
- rest of the groups are shot in sequence
46218875924_3794f58edc_o.jpg


100 meters ( after 5 minutes of cool down)
- all 3 shot groups
46891231322_f62482f862_o.jpg


Summary:
- 3 shot groups will be consistent between 1 and 1.5 MOA
- 5 shot groups will be consistent between 1.5 and 2 MOA
- once the barrel is warm the groups open up quickly, as expected of a lightweight barrel
- Based on my findings and ability, I believe the rifle with factory handguard can be accurate, but not consistent (I was getting some good groupings but there were always a "flyer" no matter how hard I tried). I believe free-floating the gas block improves consistency, and perhaps accuracy as well
- I believe with a lighter match trigger and higher power scope, the groups can be even better
- Wolverine did a great job with the concept of a lightweight, simple, accurate, and affordable NR modern hunting rifle. Maybe a slimmer profile gas block for future rifles, and a longer handguard (13"?) would make it even better

Awesome job on this.

These results mirror what I got at about 80 Yards once I got the 4X ACOG sighted in. Gun is plenty accurate. It's no tack driver...but it's not supposed to be.
 
well this all kind of changed my mind about getting the 180. I was gonna trade my Gen2 T97 & cash for one, but after reading all the issues,..I've changed my mind. I really wanted to see a NR rifle like this come to market and thank you for doing that,..but why so many issues ? Everybody complains about the "out of spec Chinese guns", but in reality the canadian guns are no better by the look of things. I'm soo disapointed.
 
well this all kind of changed my mind about getting the 180. I was gonna trade my Gen2 T97 & cash for one, but after reading all the issues,..I've changed my mind. I really wanted to see a NR rifle like this come to market and thank you for doing that,..but why so many issues ? Everybody complains about the "out of spec Chinese guns", but in reality the canadian guns are no better by the look of things. I'm soo disapointed.

But are there really "so many issues"? What percentage of the guns sold have had problems?

This is like the question you see posted periodically: "Why are there so many XYZ guns for sale in the EE? WHAT'S WRONG WITH THEM????" Usually, the answer is quickly posted in reply, i.e. there are so many of them for sale because there were and are so many new ones being sold. There's nothing "wrong" with the bulk of them...but of course, every single one with a problem receives national attention on CGN, while the silent majority who got good guns just smile and shoot them and keep quiet.

There's no way to know for sure, because you can't force every single owner to submit a review of his/her gun after it's been used for awhile. Human nature dictates that we will hear an unrealistically high amount of complaining about the bad guns, and an unrealistically low amount of praise about the good ones.

I also must wonder how many of the problems we hear about occur with guns that were purchased, taken out of the box and "modded" (i.e. butchered) by owners who started buying all those aftermarket go-fast bits and pieces before they even got the gun. People brag about how many pieces they changed before even shooting the new rifle. They love to talk about how it makes sense to buy a bargain-basement utility gun, and then spend so much on it that they exceed the total cost of a Swiss Arms or a Desert Tech...because it makes the gun "personalized" and "just for them". I wonder how often it makes the gun not so much "custom" but rather "unshootable". Because, let's face it: for every owner who knows what he is doing, there are probably a dozen out there with little experience, less knowledge, and a love for the whine of the Dremel...or maybe just for a whine...
 
But are there really "so many issues"? What percentage of the guns sold have had problems?

This is like the question you see posted periodically: "Why are there so many XYZ guns for sale in the EE? WHAT'S WRONG WITH THEM????" Usually, the answer is quickly posted in reply, i.e. there are so many of them for sale because there were and are so many new ones being sold. There's nothing "wrong" with the bulk of them...but of course, every single one with a problem receives national attention on CGN, while the silent majority who got good guns just smile and shoot them and keep quiet.

There's no way to know for sure, because you can't force every single owner to submit a review of his/her gun after it's been used for awhile. Human nature dictates that we will hear an unrealistically high amount of complaining about the bad guns, and an unrealistically low amount of praise about the good ones.


I also must wonder how many of the problems we hear about occur with guns that were purchased, taken out of the box and "modded" (i.e. butchered) by owners who started buying all those aftermarket go-fast bits and pieces before they even got the gun. People brag about how many pieces they changed before even shooting the new rifle. They love to talk about how it makes sense to buy a bargain-basement utility gun, and then spend so much on it that they exceed the total cost of a Swiss Arms or a Desert Tech...because it makes the gun "personalized" and "just for them". I wonder how often it makes the gun not so much "custom" but rather "unshootable". Because, let's face it: for every owner who knows what he is doing, there are probably a dozen out there with little experience, less knowledge, and a love for the whine of the Dremel...or maybe just for a whine...

Excellent post !
I'm no stranger to "new Black guns". This is my 3rd t97. The 1st one was garbage, the 2nd one was great. I have no clue on my new gen2 I havent even shot it yet. I'm just frustrated because every new gun I buy doesnt work "like the manufacture shows on the Utube video's. Maybe I'm one of the unlucky ones & always gets the finiky one, LOL

list of rifles I have bought over the last couple years that had issues-

Just Right carbine 9mm
MVP patrol 223
keltec sub 2000
Aroe Survival rifle
High point carbine 45acp
Ruger American bolt action
Norinco T97
NEA ar 15 rifle

surprisingly , the 2 Cheap Keltec SU16 I had, worked every time with no issues
 
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Hey, I'm frustrated because every new product I buy doesn't work like in the videos. :) I think that guns, in general, are much better in this respect than most new consumer products sold today.
 
I like my dremel. Best gift ever from my father :)

From your father to you...or to your gunsmith? :) A gunsmith I trust once told me that the Dremel was his favourite tool because it buggered up so many guns that were then brought to him for repair.

I like my Dremel too; it's great for trimming my dog's nails.
 
Lol. I set a rule for myself - only dremel things that you can easily replace, and never on the actual gun (receiver, critical components, etc).

Served me well so far ;)
 
Now that accuracy is out of the way (it's very good and exceeds my expectations), I'm hoping to test for reliability. I have a basic US - made AR that has gone 1,200 rounds without any jams or issues, which is more than I'll ever need to consider it reliable. If i can go 500 rounds with no issues with the wk180c I'll be plenty happy. So far I'm at 200 rounds no issues (watch me jinxing myself right here lol)

I did swap out the extractor spring for a standard AR one, though. It's stiffer for sure compared to the factory WK one.

I suppose what bugs people is all the little *tweaking* that may need to be done if you get a problematic sample...
 
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Excellent post !
I'm no stranger to "new Black guns". This is my 3rd t97. The 1st one was garbage, the 2nd one was great. I have no clue on my new gen2 I havent even shot it yet. I'm just frustrated because every new gun I buy doesnt work "like the manufacture shows on the Utube video's. Maybe I'm one of the unlucky ones & always gets the finiky one, LOL

list of rifles I have bought over the last couple years that had issues-

Just Right carbine 9mm
MVP patrol 223
keltec sub 2000
Aroe Survival rifle
High point carbine 45acp
Ruger American bolt action
Norinco T97
NEA ar 15 rifle

surprisingly , the 2 Cheap Keltec SU16 I had, worked every time with no issues

What percentage of all your new gun purchases would you say have had issues?

Ive yet to have one. And I have many. Hand guns rifles shotguns etc. Accuracy might not be as advertised but never functional issues.
 
Excellent post !
I'm no stranger to "new Black guns". This is my 3rd t97. The 1st one was garbage, the 2nd one was great. I have no clue on my new gen2 I havent even shot it yet. I'm just frustrated because every new gun I buy doesnt work "like the manufacture shows on the Utube video's. Maybe I'm one of the unlucky ones & always gets the finiky one, LOL

list of rifles I have bought over the last couple years that had issues-

Just Right carbine 9mm
MVP patrol 223
keltec sub 2000
Aroe Survival rifle
High point carbine 45acp
Ruger American bolt action
Norinco T97
NEA ar 15 rifle

surprisingly , the 2 Cheap Keltec SU16 I had, worked every time with no issues

No offence but your list is mostly low end.
 
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