Would YOU buy a Norinco M14 if the price doubles?

Turkinator said:
So there's no guarantee that Norinco will be producing anymore m305s due to the high costs and limited market? Please tell me I'm being hysterical. I had hoped production of receivers had already restarted with this new shipment when I heard the cost increase.
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heck, they'll keep building them as long as people are willing to buy them. from the Can Am posts, sounds like they'll be retooling to build new receivers.

they may not be able to sell to the US market, but they do sell to other countries- think people have linked to New Zealand m305 ads.
 
J996 said:
Seafury, you and I have discussed this topic before, and more than once I might add. So once again, how some 15 year old Chinese worker installs the barrel and bolt (two separate parts that I said were hit or miss) onto the receiver, has sweet F**k all to do with that receiver itself, its geometry or how it was made.

The receiver itself is very close to GI spec, and forged properly. If you are incapable of finding this out for yourself or you simply don't want to hear it from me or anyone else (for the third time) then PM Different (Lee Emerson) and ask him:"Is the Chinese M14 receiver properly forged and is its geometry close to USGI specs?".

I know you love SAI, its merican and anything the chinese made sucks because they are stupid and can only make forks and spoons. So I will ask you once again: A, dont bother commenting on things you have no knowledge of, or B, find out about this stuff yourself so you can make factual posts.
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Actually they make chopstix and my comment was to the effect that although they may be dimensionally correct the process itself may be lacking. Given that sight serations have been known to scrub off in use its possible they are not properly forged. And why when every other component on the rifle can be poorly made all of the recievers are good escapes me. You need to relax.
 
Seafury said:
Actually they make chopstix and my comment was to the effect that although they may be dimensionally correct the process itself may be lacking. Given that sight serations have been known to scrub off in use its possible they are not properly forged. And why when every other component on the rifle can be poorly made all of the recievers are good escapes me. You need to relax.
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y'know, that's a good point...

http://www.m14.ca/books/M14_RHAD_Text_Only_Edition_100815.pdf

is a pretty good read on the m14 rifle. it specifically talks about the Norinco receivers.

note- am assuming it's okay to hot link- if not please correct.
 
If our $ keeps going down the price of Springfield and other US made rifles will keep going up. The $1000 Norinco will still be probably half or less the price of the US made rifles. But either way sales volume is going to drop because a lot of people who would be tempted by a $500 Norinco won't be buying any M14 if the price doubles.
 
jethunter said:
If our $ keeps going down the price of Springfield and other US made rifles will keep going up. The $1000 Norinco will still be probably half or less the price of the US made rifles. But either way sales volume is going to drop because a lot of people who would be tempted by a $500 Norinco won't be buying any M14 if the price doubles.
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well actually, that's an interesting point.

there's some economic theory that suggests that LUXURY goods continue to sell, even in bad times.

so, the Springfields might not see much of a change.... even if the m305/m14 sales drop.
 
nntw said:
y'know, that's a good point...

http://www.m14.ca/books/M14_RHAD_Text_Only_Edition_100815.pdf

is a pretty good read on the m14 rifle. it specifically talks about the Norinco receivers.

note- am assuming it's okay to hot link- if not please correct.
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Yes a very good read (would be nice if a certain someone here would read it, stats on page 257).

I spoke to Ron Smith about these receivers and his testing a few years back when I had my custom built on a Poly receiver, he likes to do builds using them. For us here in Canada they have been available and affordable. The US guys have a harder time getting them due to the import ban in 94.
 
I was interested in buying one, just posted a thread in the CanAm section... That said, I wont pay more than 550 for one, I'd also be waiting to see what how much the quality of them has gone up anything.
Might be that I just buy an SU-16 or a ruger scout....
 
I would not pay 1000.00 for a Norc for sure but i would gladly pay 2500.00 for another SA NM M1A but with our dollar, at the end of the year they might be closer to 3500.00... Pity... JP.
 
J996 said:
Yes a very good read (would be nice if a certain someone here would read it, stats on page 257).

I spoke to Ron Smith about these receivers and his testing a few years back when I had my custom built on a Poly receiver, he likes to do builds using them. For us here in Canada they have been available and affordable. The US guys have a harder time getting them due to the import ban in 94.
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Actually certain someone has.
 
There was some speculation a few years ago about "the last shipment" of M14's coming into the country...it was enough hype that I went and bought two new Norcs at $399. Bought a third for around $350 a year later. Since then I have seen maybe 4 more shipments arrive.

If I spend $1000 on a rifle it is gonna say Ruger etc. on the side of the receiver.
 
J996 said:
The receiver itself is very close to GI spec, and forged properly.
If you are incapable of finding this out for yourself or you simply don't want to hear it from me or anyone else (for the third time)
then PM Different (Lee Emerson) and ask him:"Is the Chinese M14 receiver properly forged and is its geometry close to USGI specs?".
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Yes sir, the forged Chinese M14 receivers (Norinco & Poly Tech) are dimensionally closer to USGI
specs than all other commercial receivers with the exception of the new bar-stock SEI receiver.
I have read that some Chinese receivers require additional heat treating, none of mine needed it.
 
BadAsMo said:
At 4-500 bucks a guy can live with the quality issues and self warranty. At 1000 bucks the quality would need to be 100 percent or the dealer will get inundated with warranty claims, dealer bashing and disgruntled customers. Basically it's a slippery slope.

Made in China is not the problem. Made badly in China is the problem. Made better they're worth more regardless of where there're made.
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This ^... If the M305 goes up sharply in price, there had better be a commensurate rise in quality....good sights, tight gas cylinders, PROPERLY INDEXED BARRELS and fitted bolts, trigger groups and safeties that work right every time. A somewhat nicer stock would be welcome too...or how about a decent E2 stock? All of these things should be within the ability of the Norinco manufacturers...the difference between a good job and barely good enough job isn't that great. Note that _some_ M305s come this way already...

In my view, interest in these rifles will decrease at about the $700 mark and dry up completely at $1000. Anybody who seriously wants a quality M1A-style rifle will just keep saving for a Springfield. Also, I could see some other foreign manufacturers getting interested in the market if the going price is about $1000. SAM makes some nice 1911 pistols that cost a little more than a Norc 1911, but are a step up in quality [allegedly...I've never handled one].

You can buy a very nice SKS and a lot of ammo for what a M305 costs now. I think a lot of people will be feeding their battle rifle jones that way if prices go any higher on the Norinco as it is.
 
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