WS-MCR - first look, just arrived.

The question I have been pondering overnight is the presence of the handguard space.

In the release photos in the WS-MCR thread that Wolverine has in their section, that spaced does not appear anywhere. The handguard continues to the rear all the way.

I'm wondering why it was added at all?
 
The question I have been pondering overnight is the presence of the handguard space.

In the release photos in the WS-MCR thread that Wolverine has in their section, that spaced does not appear anywhere. The handguard continues to the rear all the way.

I'm wondering why it was added at all?

Looks like they changed the handguard design.

Promo pictures have 3 bolts on the clamp.

I'd guess it's a production cost issue, or they screwed up a bunch of handguards and went with this "fix".
 
Id buy one if i was in the market for a NR .223 semi auto rifle. Way to go Wolverine Supplys, looks even better then the 180c.
 
My initial impressions after reviewing your photos:

1. I don't understand why the picatinny rail is a seperate piece. Would prefer to see it milled into the upper as one piece. Cost saving measure by purchasing pre-made picatinny rail, but not ideal. For me, it would be easier to machine the upper if it was one piece. You cut the picatinny rail first, then you fixture off that feature for all additional operations. Fixture clamps that hold on picatinny rail are commercially available. It's how I would, and have, done it. Picatinny form cutting mills are readily available, relatively inexpensive, and would not be hard to do. Heck, by eliminating the welding operations, it would probably be cheaper. At the very least, it removes the failure potential of a weld. This is a big "wtf" part of the rifle for me.

2. I would prefer the indexing pin on the handguard was a solid dowel pin, not a spring roll pin. Very minor nitpick.

3. The piston system could be made to come out the front of the gas block. This would mean you don't need to take the handguard off. This would not be hard to do as it appears the plug is already threaded in from the front. I built a few systems like this for my AR180 type rifles.

4. 3D printed parts on a production rifle are still, in my opinion, a full deal breaker.

All relatively small issues in the long run, I guess. I really like the bushing in the upper for the piston rod.
 
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Thank you for the review. I dont see a need for this over my 180c. I'd like to see some measurements of the gas piston. They said they reworked the has system but only thing I see is the bushing is metal over my nylon

Looks like the gas block might be identical, but the plug/valve is different. The piston looks like it could be the same, just with a different finish or maybe a different steel. Reworking the gas system could be simply tweaking gas port size. It will be interesting to see how many parts interchange on these rifles, IMO the more the better!

ETA: What is stopping the gas piston from coming out the front of the gas block during disassembly?
 
The gas piston and spring along with the gas plug can all be with drawn from the front, removing the hand guard first, improves accessibility. If the gas plug is tight the gas block may need to be held in a padded jaw vice hence remove the hand guard first.

Current rifles will be found with two different hand guards and two different butt stocks. We had to take what we could get as time is not on our side, we have the Liberals on the war path and Coronavirus is delaying supplies.
 
The gas piston and spring along with the gas plug can all be with drawn from the front, removing the hand guard first, improves accessibility. If the gas plug is tight the gas block may need to be held in a padded jaw vice hence remove the hand guard first.

I kind of figured that was the case. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
John,

Thank-you for the clarity on this. As mentioned - I'm happy with the rifle. It feels - good - in my hands. A slightly different set of muscle memory to build with this compared to the AR-15, but I'm pleased with it.

When I have a chance to test-fire I'll follow this up with some performance information.

I'm guessing that the sample rifle that you've tested (~5000 rounds?) has had no issues with the rail?

Thanks for your work on this.

NS
 
Just remembered something regarding the top rail, in the first breakfast club video with the WS-MCR they mention that the top rail is steel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cWMSHhEpP8&t=455s Could it be a steel rail welded to the aluminum upper?

No you can't weld steel to aluminum, the steel rail is epoxied and pinned (x6) to the upper, this rail carries a full factory warranty.
 
John,

Thank-you for the clarity on this. As mentioned - I'm happy with the rifle. It feels - good - in my hands. A slightly different set of muscle memory to build with this compared to the AR-15, but I'm pleased with it.

When I have a chance to test-fire I'll follow this up with some performance information.

I'm guessing that the sample rifle that you've tested (~5000 rounds?) has had no issues with the rail?

Thanks for your work on this.

NS

No issue with the rail but in all honesty most of the time I was not using optics due to weather conditions and I was testing for function and reliability. A top rail failure would be fully covered under warranty.
 
No you can't weld steel to aluminum, the steel rail is epoxied and pinned (x6) to the upper, this rail carries a full factory warranty.

Well, you can "weld" them using a transition material or aluminum coating the steel, or by brazing. Pinning and epoxying sounds like a much better solution though! It is really interesting to see how Canadian companies are moving forward with making these type of things, lets hope it continues! It would be amazing to have a whole ecosystem of 180b-based firearms in this country!
 
Ah. I saw what looked like weld points - I'll re-examine tonight when I get home.

The mechanical pin plus the epoxy makes it sound much more like the old style AR upper that I showed in my review thread.

I've got a variety of optics and mounts to try on it so we'll see what fits/works best, and I'll fire a few rounds to see how it performs...I may not do mag-dumps to get to 5K quickly, but we'll see how it goes.

No range this weekend for me though - driving to PEI with my son for a hockey tournament.
 
Excellent review! Saves me a trip to the shop to examine the rifle myself.

I've owned several WK180Cs, and here are a couple questions for NavyShooter mainly concerning the differences and compatibility between the 2 rifles:
1. Can you put the rifle on a scale? If possible, also weight upper/lower separately. I am interested in seeing if the steel upper side plates/rail has added some weight, as well as if the re-profiled lower saved some weight.
2. Can you post some pictures of the rear take down pin area on both the upper and lower? Wolverine indicated that the new upper and old lower can be mated together with "some modifications" and I would like to see how much work that is.
3. Is it possible to unscrew the side plates on both side and show us how they attach to the upper receiver? This is to mainly fill my curiosity of designing a non-reciprocating charging handle side plate for the rifle, and possibly retrofit this change to wk180c upper. Wolverine did say any further disassembly than what you did will void the warranty so I'd consult them first.

And my thoughts on the points you mentioned base on my experience with the WK180c:
- 3D printed parts are not concerning in where they are used. WK doesn't have brass deflector and the rifle operated just fine. Hand guard spacer looks like a installation assist rather than anything load bearing. I am positive you can install hand guard without the spacer.
- I'm glad to see they carried over the 2 set screw gas block over. Compare to the early wk rifle's set screw and cross pin, this makes it easier to swap out barrels.
- The separate top rail piece is unconventional, but Wolverine's design is usually very solid. If anything could go wrong it is usually the execution/assembly (such as with early Kodiak production). In worst case this will mean sending rifle back under warranty to have it updated with the new production changes.
 
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