WS-MCR - Ongoing Impressions

mmcintyre1220 said:
Found it to be a clunky POS. I sold mine after the first range trip and bought a tavor.
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Interesting - what did you find clunky? I find the action on mine to be pretty tight and smooth. I don't like the cheap butt-stock it came with, that's a bit clunky, but the operation and the action all feel very smooth to me. Low recoil, clean feed and ejection, smooth mag transfers etc.

And yeah, if you have a budge that can stretch to $2800 then get a Tavor. If you can stretch to $3600 then get the Tavor 7. But......and I think this is the important point; if you have a budget of $1500 and want a reliable, fun and easy to maintain 5.56 semi then you can't go wring with the WS-MCR.
 
Having owned a Tavor and now owning thisrifle, I'm very surprised that you consider the Tavor to not be clunky as F.

What was that Eddie Murphy movie where he played that fat black woman? That's what I think the Tavor is, lol. Way too much ace.
mmcintyre1220 said:
Found it to be a clunky POS. I sold mine after the first range trip and bought a tavor.
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nashleigh said:
Interesting - what did you find clunky? I find the action on mine to be pretty tight and smooth. I don't like the cheap butt-stock it came with, that's a bit clunky, but the operation and the action all feel very smooth to me. Low recoil, clean feed and ejection, smooth mag transfers etc.

And yeah, if you have a budge that can stretch to $2800 then get a Tavor. If you can stretch to $3600 then get the Tavor 7. But......and I think this is the important point; if you have a budget of $1500 and want a reliable, fun and easy to maintain 5.56 semi then you can't go wring with the WS-MCR.
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I did not like the way the grip attaches to the lower, having a big block of aluminum above your hand is simply uncomfortable. I found the action tight but smooth might be a subjective word. The stock it came with is ... meh, I would have replaced it had I kept it. The charging handle is a joke, fortunately I sold mine before it went into orbit. The internals were incredibly sharp and would have benefited from a slight dehorning. Overall I mean... it was $1200 bucks or so when I bought it so it was fairly cheep. Maybe my expectations were a bit too high to begin with. I am used to shooting my AR's which I built to my liking.

I am considering the Tavor 7 to add to the collection. I wanted a rifle in 5.56 first as I have a metric sh*t ton of ammo for it.
 
CoonT said:
Having owned a Tavor and now owning thisrifle, I'm very surprised that you consider the Tavor to not be clunky as F.

What was that Eddie Murphy movie where he played that fat black woman? That's what I think the Tavor is, lol. Way too much ace.
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The tavor is a bit of a clunker compared to an AR IMO but its far superior to the WS-MCR or 180c.
 
mmcintyre1220 said:
The tavor is a bit of a clunker compared to an AR IMO but its far superior to the WS-MCR or 180c.
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Oh for sure, the Tavor 7 is a beautiful piece of kit and at nearly 3x the price of a WS-MCR it should be! The Tavor 7 is also a bullpup platform and is chambered in 7.62/.308 whereas the WS-MCR is neither of these. The Tavor 7 is also designed and built for the Israeli military (IWI and the IDF) whereas the WS-MCR is built by Wolverine Supplies here in Canada for the domestic market. All of this this matters when comparing superiority of firearms; this is subjective as to the intended use and function of the firearm. For example, if you are going to be engaged in urban tactical warfare or close quarter combat then yes, the Tavor 7 will outperform the WS-MCR. Similarly, if you need a firearm that will operate in theatres such as arid, desert or arctic then a Tavor 7 would be a wise choice over the WS-MCR. If you are looking for a reasonably priced rifle that you can take to the range, that is accurate, cheap to shoot, can legally hold 10 rounds in its LAR mags and that can interchange most of its parts with your now redundant AR's then the WS-MCR is probably the firearm for you.
 
In concert with their release of the WX-MCR receiver kits, XTreme Gun Shooting Centre is introducing a Pictanny rail adapter butt stock connector replacment which also works with existing WS-MCRs. If someone already has, or can procure a Picatinny connection folding stock, they can use it on the MCR with this adapter.

Although no one has noted the charging handle breaking, like on the WK, Xtreme has also released a Pineapple Tactical Bolt Knob for the MCR. It is apparently longer and has a textured grip, so some may prefer it.

Wolverine themselves have release a .556 Parts Kits of all their proprietary parts for the WS-MCR; they can be used to replace wear parts on the WS-MCR, or in concert with Xtreme's new WX-MCR receiver and non-proprietary AR parts to make a complete custom rifle.
 
I looked at one today with the folding stock and compared it to a WK180. I liked the MCR more, except for the stock and the increased weight. Have been doing a bit of research, trying to figure out the best way to go and, quite frankly, both seem to have their issues. WK180 with the aluminum sides, heavy trigger, potential for charging handle snapping off; MCR with cheap butt, weak firing pin retainer also not so great trigger.
 
1899 said:
I looked at one today with the folding stock and compared it to a WK180. I liked the MCR more, except for the stock and the increased weight. Have been doing a bit of research, trying to figure out the best way to go and, quite frankly, both seem to have their issues. WK180 with the aluminum sides, heavy trigger, potential for charging handle snapping off; MCR with cheap butt, weak firing pin retainer also not so great trigger.
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Anyone else have problems with the MCR trigger? I was actually impressed with it, compared to many off the shelf AR triggers. The roll pin firing pin retainer is bullschit but at least it's a $2 fix.
 
1899 said:
I looked at one today with the folding stock and compared it to a WK180. I liked the MCR more, except for the stock and the increased weight. Have been doing a bit of research, trying to figure out the best way to go and, quite frankly, both seem to have their issues. WK180 with the aluminum sides, heavy trigger, potential for charging handle snapping off; MCR with cheap butt, weak firing pin retainer also not so great trigger.
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MCR all day. You're going to want to replace the trigger on either of those - a 50-dollar mil-spec trigger will be night and day. The AR cotter pin is a 2-dollar fix. The cheap stock on the MCR could definitely use an upgrade but it doesn't affect functionality.
 
I had the extractor pivot pin walk out a bit, this didn't allow the bolt to cam and (UN-telescope) into the bolt carrier to go into battery. The pin was slightly bent so I replaced it, and I peened the spots on the bolt around the pin hole to stop it from coming out again. That was the only stoppage I have ever had with it. That was at about 1000 rounds through it. If you see falling short of going into battery. DO NOT try and force it. Pull the bolt out and LOOK. Other than that. It is a lot of fun. Range warrior Muzzle brake is a nice ad on.
 
New development. Kinda weird.

My first MCR is still running fine and well past 1000 rounds. Other than the roll pin replacement and tightening the castle nut it's needed no attention.

My new MCR has only a couple hundred rounds though it and today it doubled, which was weird. I didn't see anything obvious so decided to try to see if it would repeat but it didn't and I was at the end of the magazine. Replaced the mag and then it went 2 shots then dead trigger. I looked in the charging handle slot and the hammer was in the fired position. Opened bolt and extracted a live round. Closed bolt and again, 2 shots then dead trigger and hammer in fired position.

I separated upper and lower and removed sear and hammer, surmising that one was defective and as I had replacement AR parts on hand thought I would replace both. Well, the sear looks similar but was slightly different than the AR sear I had on hand. I have had plenty of AR's and replaced plenty of parts and know AR parts from various manufacturers can have slight differences but I wasn't sure the MCR sear actually is a AR sear so I didn't want to experiment. The sear looked fine, anyway.

The hammer looked like it had some wear marks and a bit of a ding on it too. It was close enough to the AR hammer I had on hand so I replaced it. First time disassembling the MCR lower so I had to fiddle with it a bit but once fully assembled I tried it out and I fired a dozen rounds no problem.

Any ways it was weird. Still not exactly sure what was going on as I would think that from where the hammer ended up it should have doubled rather than been left with a dead trigger but I suspect it's due to the firing pin spring tension acting as a buffer from a hammer that went forward without full spring power.

Also, the hammer from my new MCR is different from the old MCR. I assume it's because they are using whatever parts they can source. Pics attached. Old MCR lower with failed hammer beside it

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Failed hammer

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Gatehouse said:
New development. Kinda weird.

My first MCR is still running fine and well past 1000 rounds. Other than the roll pin replacement and tightening the castle nut it's needed no attention.

My new MCR has only a couple hundred rounds though it and today it doubled, which was weird. I didn't see anything obvious so decided to try to see if it would repeat but it didn't and I was at the end of the magazine. Replaced the mag and then it went 2 shots then dead trigger. I looked in the charging handle slot and the hammer was in the fired position. Opened bolt and extracted a live round. Closed bolt and again, 2 shots then dead trigger and hammer in fired position.

I separated upper and lower and removed sear and hammer, surmising that one was defective and as I had replacement AR parts on hand thought I would replace both. Well, the sear looks similar but was slightly different than the AR sear I had on hand. I have had plenty of AR's and replaced plenty of parts and know AR parts from various manufacturers can have slight differences but I wasn't sure the MCR sear actually is a AR sear so I didn't want to experiment. The sear looked fine, anyway.

The hammer looked like it had some wear marks and a bit of a ding on it too. It was close enough to the AR hammer I had on hand so I replaced it. First time disassembling the MCR lower so I had to fiddle with it a bit but once fully assembled I tried it out and I fired a dozen rounds no problem.

Any ways it was weird. Still not exactly sure what was going on as I would think that from where the hammer ended up it should have doubled rather than been left with a dead trigger but I suspect it's due to the firing pin spring tension acting as a buffer from a hammer that went forward without full spring power.

Also, the hammer from my new MCR is different from the old MCR. I assume it's because they are using whatever parts they can source. Pics attached. Old MCR lower with failed hammer beside it

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Failed hammer

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Ive "heard" that problems have occurred when part(s) at one end of the tolerance spectrum are mixed with those at the other. The cumulative difference between parts (which are otherwise in spec) causing an issue.
 
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