WWII War Birds - pics and video
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Dark Alley Dan
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Holy hell, that's something to see.
Dark Alley Dan
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Darkest Edmonton
I'd have to go one pic at a time. It's quite the collection he has.
if you ever get a chance to drop by the Flying Heritage Collection in Seattle, you can watch this fly:
[youtube]qhAgU-GUc1Q[/youtube]
They also have a 109E, a Stormovic, an Il16, an honest-to-God Zero, a P40, a Hellcat, a very nice Spitfire... Well worth the feckin' trip.
if you ever get a chance to drop by the Flying Heritage Collection in Seattle, you can watch this fly:
[youtube]qhAgU-GUc1Q[/youtube]
They also have a 109E, a Stormovic, an Il16, an honest-to-God Zero, a P40, a Hellcat, a very nice Spitfire... Well worth the feckin' trip.
Holy hell, that's something to see.
Looks like a Rolls Royce Merlin engine, not a BMW.
That cause it is a merlin engine.
"Battle of Britain" was and still is one of the best made war movies depicting air war.
Wow.It's a good thing someone saved at least some planes from this movie.Other than those,there are few Buchons and at least one CASA 2.111 (He 111) privately owned flaying somewhere.
I think some of the Spitfires where saved too,don't know how many.
I read about Spanish 2 seater Buchon but I didn't think any still existed.Later models of Me-109 were made in 2 seater configuration-I don't think any of those survived.
I hope someone with more money than brains buys them and puts them in the air.They are well worth it.
Wow.It's a good thing someone saved at least some planes from this movie.Other than those,there are few Buchons and at least one CASA 2.111 (He 111) privately owned flaying somewhere.
I think some of the Spitfires where saved too,don't know how many.
I read about Spanish 2 seater Buchon but I didn't think any still existed.Later models of Me-109 were made in 2 seater configuration-I don't think any of those survived.
I hope someone with more money than brains buys them and puts them in the air.They are well worth it.
Since most of you get to Orlando, Florida from time to time, you should head inland to Polk City, about 60 miles to Fantasy of flight.
http://www.fantasyofflight.com/
Many different milsurps and they either fly or are in the process of being restored to flight. Most days one of them is flown. Cheap place to visit, too.
This is Kermit Weeks. He owns the planes and the facility. How many guys could have an intelligent conversation, comparing a Shorts Sunderland to a Gee Bee; or a Foker Tripe to a Mig 17?
http://www.fantasyofflight.com/
Many different milsurps and they either fly or are in the process of being restored to flight. Most days one of them is flown. Cheap place to visit, too.
This is Kermit Weeks. He owns the planes and the facility. How many guys could have an intelligent conversation, comparing a Shorts Sunderland to a Gee Bee; or a Foker Tripe to a Mig 17?
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The video was pretty good to. I was kinda shocked to hear him say that with pilots being equal the 109 was heads and shoulders above the spitfire and p-51. I knew the 109 would out climb them like a banshee but thought the spitfire would out turn it. Learn something new everyday.
That's highly debatable either on paper or in reality.
Anything mark IX and above spitfire wise would be superior to anything Gustav model or less 109 wise. K model 109 could outfly a MK IX but not outmanouver a Mk XIV.
D model Mustang is in the same boat from my research, superior against G model 109, better in some regards, worse in others vs a K model 109.
In reality, most top tier fighters from all nations were so similar and the differences so miniscule and irrelevant that it became a matter of pilot skill more than anything.
Anything mark IX and above spitfire wise would be superior to anything Gustav model or less 109 wise. K model 109 could outfly a MK IX but not outmanouver a Mk XIV.
D model Mustang is in the same boat from my research, superior against G model 109, better in some regards, worse in others vs a K model 109.
In reality, most top tier fighters from all nations were so similar and the differences so miniscule and irrelevant that it became a matter of pilot skill more than anything.
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Worked in the tool & die dept. at Clevite with a guy named Zigfried who served in WW2 as mechanic on ME 109's. Mentioned to him that I had seen "Battle of Britain". He said "Dose are not real Messerchmits, dey haf Rolls-Royce engines. Da nose profile is entirely different."
When they built Me-109's with Meriins, wonder if they had solved the carburetor hesitation problem that existed in the Spitfire pulling negative G's? That was said to be an advantage of the original fuel injected Me109s. Don't remember hearing about it in P-51's.
When they built Me-109's with Meriins, wonder if they had solved the carburetor hesitation problem that existed in the Spitfire pulling negative G's? That was said to be an advantage of the original fuel injected Me109s. Don't remember hearing about it in P-51's.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but after WWII there were quite a few ME109s available on the cheap for nations such as Israel. Spain had both early and late models and so did Switzerland who had a lot of perfectly good aircraft from all combatant nations that were flown their by their pilots and crew for various reasons. Switzerland interned the crews/pilots and kept the aircraft. Not sure if they utilized them or not.
At the end of the war, the Spanish planes were reconditioned completely and fitted with Rolls Royce engines, supposedly because original engines and parts were in very short supply and it was just cheaper to fit the new RR engines. I don't recall if there was any improvement in performance. The original BMW engines were very good and considered to be some of the best engines of WWII. Extremely expensive and almost impossible to keep up sufficient supplies of completed motors or parts to keep up with demand. This condition persisted after the war as well.
I am not sure about Israel but seem to remember something about them looking for replacement engines for their 109s as well. IIRC, they went to the relatively abundant RR Merlin engines as well.
There were several nations that had ME109s sitting idle on airfields after WWII. Soviet Union, Germany, Norway, Sweden, Finland, some Baltic countries, African countries, Mediterranean countries and even France, Belgium and Denmark. I am sure I missed some.
At the end of the war, no matter what condition these planes were in, just like Allied planes, they were all considered to be a source of scrap metal. Some survived but not many as is obvious now. Who could afford to fly them, let alone keep them in serviceable condition?? Certainly not many governments who were now into jets and felt they were valueless and obsolete. Some of them made it to Korea (Corsairs/P51s) and Viet Nam (Crusaders) but very quickly were replaced by jets and helos.
Again, IIRC the Me109s were rented from the Spanish Air Force.
