X95, not all that great.

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Ok x95 not that great of a rifle.
Attempted 25 yard zero with it to get sight roughly on. Average group size was an 1 1/2. Some were larger none smaller. Didn't bother pushing out to distance it does not like 55 gr hand loads.
Further research showed it had a preference for heavier ammunition. So jump in batmobile and go in town grab a few different boxes. 62 gr Abit tighter but not much.
53 gr hornaby seems to be the magic load it likes.
Push it out to a hundred group size is all over the place. With unexplainable flyers, the hornaby would get three under an inch and two outside of two inches blowing group out everything else was anywhere from three to six inches.
Was not expecting a tack driver but was expecting some thing that you could consitently shoot a regular group with.
Either this rifle needs a long break in or there is something seriously wrong with rifle.
I am just posting this because I wish some one would have made mention of this prior to my buying one. I would have went a different way with my purchase.
 
It's a chrome lined barrel. No break in will improve accuracy.

Sasko31 said:
I am just posting this because I wish some one would have made mention of this prior to my buying one.
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You should have done a bit more research. 5 minutes on here and Youtube and I know the Tavor/X95 aren't tack drivers. It's mentioned in nearly every review.
With the right ammo 2-3 MOA is to be expected. If 2-3 MOA isn't accurate enough for your shooting style I'd cut your losses and post it on the CGN EE. It's a popular rifle and I'm sure you wont have much trouble selling it.

Tavor and X95 are great rifles for their intended purpose. That purpose isn't sitting at the bench on the range shooting groups.
 
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What you seek for is a free floated DMR, the Tavor is a CQB weapon at heart. 2-3 MOA is the requirement it fills for its combat role.
 
twyeh said:
What you seek for is a free floated DMR, the Tavor is a CQB weapon at heart. 2-3 MOA is the requirement it fills for its combat role.
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Israelis designed the TAVOR and X95 as an infantry weapon to replace M16. It is NOT a CQB weapon. CQB means close quarter battle which means you can almost look into the eyes and the facial expression of the people you try to do harms to.

Depending on your military, in general most militaries are happy their grunts can hit a 20"X20" target at 300m. That translates to a 4 MOA weapon is more than acceptable, given 2MOA error due to the user and other environmental factor. If you stretch it, a 6MOA gun can hit enough to give you a military qualification a pass with a 60% score.

And the myth that 2-3MOA is not accurate,,,,, most of the best rack grade AR15 out there are 2 MOA guns with the better quality mass produced 5.56ammo. No matter who makes the barrels or the guns, they are honest 2-3MOA system with mass produced ammo at the very best. Shooting hand loaded match ammo with 3 or 5 round groups doesn't really count, because this is not how these things are spec'ed out and the sample size is too small for each group . We are talking about 10 to 20 round groups.
 
I would be happy with the 2 to 3 moa but it does not do that consistently like most rifles.
The rifle that it replaced a gen 2 xcr l could do that easily all day long. The ar15 I can not use for the role that sits in my rifle lock up will shoot 2 to 3 moa all day long.
But not the x95, I do not own a bench it was not purchased for punching paper.
Not sure why it can not perform consistently.
So if someone can explain that instead of slinging mud that would be helpful.
What started out as a simple attempt to zero a red Dot turned into a exercise of frustration.
It has been interesting to hear all the helpful advice on here.
So now all I am looking for is a simple explanation as to why this rifle does not perform consistently.
 
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I would be happy with the 2 to 3 moa but it does not do that consistently like most rifles.
The rifle that it replaced a gen 2 xcr l could do that easily all day long. The ar15 I can not use for the role that sits in my rifle lock up will shoot 2 to 3 moa all day long.
But not the x95, I do not own a bench it was not purchased for punching paper.
Not sure why it can not perform consistently.
So if someone can explain that instead of slinging mud that would be helpful.
What started out as a simple attempt to zero a red Dot turned into a exercise of frustration.
It has been interesting to hear all the helpful advice on here.
So now all I am looking for is a simple explanation as to why this rifle does not perform consistently.
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First of all, I am not sure what optic you are using. Make sure you don't get parallax issue because you are shooting a different system and therefore having inconsistent head/eye position between shots. Optic sits slightly lower on TAVOR/X95 relative to the cheek.

The honest truth is that they are also not as accurate as AR or some other commercial rifles, but they are adequate for infantry work.
 
I would strongly recommend trying it without the teflon sleave at the front of the handguard. Any in consistent pressures on the handguard will be directly transmitted to the barrel if you have not removed it. In my opinion this could be what causes fliers sometimes, but the reality is you are shooting a pencil profile barrel (heats up very quickly) that was never intended to shoot under 2moa, realistically probably more like 3 moa. If you want precision in a semi auto, pull out the big bucks, otherwise get a bolt gun and keep the x95 for plinking steel.
 
Sasko31 said:
So now all I am looking for is a simple explanation as to why this rifle does not perform consistently.
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And you might never get an answer.

The original Tavor was designed for an 18" Barrel, so we essentially have a semi-only version of the issue rifle, and performs as one would expect, about ~2.5 MOA.

The X95 was designed around a different length barrel, and different hand guard length and design. Where the handguard contacts the barrel in relation to the barrel length, or that there seem to be additional cuts in the barrel to accommodate the original handguard length, may or may not affect accuracy. Without Data on how the X95 in it's issued configuration performs, it's a mystery.
 
Sasko31 said:
Ok x95 not that great of a rifle.
Attempted 25 yard zero with it to get sight roughly on. Average group size was an 1 1/2. Some were larger none smaller. Didn't bother pushing out to distance it does not like 55 gr hand loads.
Further research showed it had a preference for heavier ammunition. So jump in batmobile and go in town grab a few different boxes. 62 gr Abit tighter but not much.
53 gr hornaby seems to be the magic load it likes.
Push it out to a hundred group size is all over the place. With unexplainable flyers, the hornaby would get three under an inch and two outside of two inches blowing group out everything else was anywhere from three to six inches.
Was not expecting a tack driver but was expecting some thing that you could consitently shoot a regular group with.
Either this rifle needs a long break in or there is something seriously wrong with rifle.
I am just posting this because I wish some one would have made mention of this prior to my buying one. I would have went a different way with my purchase.
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A quick google search would have shown you this before to purchased the rifle!
 
I went with a meprolight RDS, but yesterday removed and put on a magnified optic and even with the 53 gr hornaby it was all over the map. Shoot three nice tight then two unexplainable flyers.....Just odd for a military grade assault rifle.
I am curious if anyone else experienced the pronounced gouging of the bullets.
 
hawk-i said:
A quick google search would have shown you this before to purchased the rifle!
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Yes I watched the videos, there was no recent ones posted so I was hoping that some of these issues would have been addressed by iwi.
But I think part of the answer was mentioned already, it's a scaled up rifle that was designed to shoot with a much shorter barrel unlike original tavor.
 
Sasko31 said:
Yes I watched the videos, there was no recent ones posted so I was hoping that some of these issues would have been addressed by iwi.
But I think part of the answer was mentioned already, it's a scaled up rifle that was designed to shoot with a much shorter barrel unlike original tavor.
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^^^ Bingo.

And the plastic sleeve removal has been tried by those same you-tubers you probably have watched already, red herring and not a fix.
 
Before i make a purchase. I usually watch few video and written reviews. Everything has its ups and downs. Alot of folks who have the income would be all over x95
 
Sasko31 said:
Yes I watched the videos, there was no recent ones posted so I was hoping that some of these issues would have been addressed by iwi.
But I think part of the answer was mentioned already, it's a scaled up rifle that was designed to shoot with a much shorter barrel unlike original tavor.
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I don't think IWI cares to improve accuracy, as it's not seen as a problem. As Greentips stated, 2-3 MOA is more than sufficient for a standard issue military carbine. They develop and issue DMRs for more precise work, and have snipers to call upon when that is required.
 
Sasko31 said:
Yes I watched the videos, there was no recent ones posted so I was hoping that some of these issues would have been addressed by iwi.
But I think part of the answer was mentioned already, it's a scaled up rifle that was designed to shoot with a much shorter barrel unlike original tavor.
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The original tavor is the same in every physical performance way except that it where the front handguard contacts the barrel. On the Tar it is an upside down "U" on the x95 it is a closed "C" with a positional groove lathed into the barrel.

Aside from that and the polymer shell, all internals are the same.

Same reciever insert, BCG, barrel, trigger linkage, hammer pack more or less, same barrel mounting system, same barrel except for the lathe mark....
 
onetwentyish said:
The original tavor is the same in every physical performance way
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They're really not, there are a number of observable differences in the barrel/gas block assembly and contact points. How much these would affect accuracy, I couldn't say. But I think they potentially could.

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PatchRat said:
This is making me feel a lot better about the decision to keep my tavor and not "upgrade" to the x95. Minute of tannerite at 100 yards is plenty good for me.
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I'll second that. I love my Tavor and see no reason to upgrade. $90 upgraded the Trigger Bow and I prefer the mag change drill on the original.
 
jparent said:
I'll second that. I love my Tavor and see no reason to upgrade. $90 upgraded the Trigger Bow and I prefer the mag change drill on the original.
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And the RPM handguard looks awesome. For now there is no x95 equivalent yet.
There is no better time to buy a discounted used Tavor while people are upgrading to the x95.
 
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