blaxsun
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This is true. Some of us just suck regardless (so upgrades simply make us suck less).
X95, not all that great.
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Farmer Harv
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LOL, I hear ya... 2 weeks ago I could ring my 100 yard gong 2-3 for 10 on a good day kneeling/sitting, but since I added the lightning bow and trigger pack I'm up to 5-6 for 10 now. So improving the trigger on these does make a significant difference alright.
Benched and bagged I'm usually 10 for 10 at 200y on the same size gong, so I have a lot of practice ahead before I start thinking about 300y without a bench under me.
Benched and bagged I'm usually 10 for 10 at 200y on the same size gong, so I have a lot of practice ahead before I start thinking about 300y without a bench under me.
Throw some cardio in between strings, it adds to the fun.
Farmer Harv
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Gah! That's what I'm afraid of. 50 years old, out of shape and trying my first 3-gun ever this fall is what got me started on this, and adding actual physical activity to shooting is scary as h3ll. I hope there's oxygen on site.
Oh well, shooting stuff is always fun, even when we suck at it.
Haha! But really, even if you start easy and put some brisk walking in between first. What better way to play with guns while improving health some.
Easily 700 rounds through x95 now, running flawless......Can hit steal plate at 174m ten out of ten standing leaning trigger guard on deck railing.
Combination of breaking rifle in and getting used to handling the rifle. It can be very accurate, only issue I seem to run into is when rifle heats up you have to keep your hand off foregrip.
I am no expert but if you look at idf issue x95s the top rail stop at back of fore grip. The top rail is only supported by barrel back near chamber. Like I said no expert but I suspect the length of top rail and if you look at a tavor the top rail sits in a reinforced channel.......
Not that big of an issue for my purposes, I only need that first shot and if I screw up the follow up shot to count.
Your thoughts besides me being on crack.....
Combination of breaking rifle in and getting used to handling the rifle. It can be very accurate, only issue I seem to run into is when rifle heats up you have to keep your hand off foregrip.
I am no expert but if you look at idf issue x95s the top rail stop at back of fore grip. The top rail is only supported by barrel back near chamber. Like I said no expert but I suspect the length of top rail and if you look at a tavor the top rail sits in a reinforced channel.......
Not that big of an issue for my purposes, I only need that first shot and if I screw up the follow up shot to count.
Your thoughts besides me being on crack.....
Guess you need to update the title to "X95: Not so bad after all..."
That first week it completely sucked......
This rifle works but I blew my six month ammo budget trying to find what ammo it likes and to break it in. I am not impressed by what I had to do to get rifle to work and by the excellent assistance I received on here.....I still think the way this rifle was shooting when I first received it was completely unacceptable.
If I had a service rifle that shot like that if I was issued one it would have went right to the weapons techs.....And no their is no x95 service center close by to ship it to can't afford for rifle to be gone during peak fox and coyote time around here.
It's interesting too to see how arrogant some people are, just incredible how they jump on you if you dissing their favorite toy.....I purchased a tool to do a job the tool wasn't working I #####ed about it and the fun starts...Oh well internet put your self out there you get kicked....
blaxsun
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The Tavor is MoY (minute-of-yote). It's better with 62-grain ammo, better with decent optics and even better with the Geissele trigger and trigger pack. It's not a tack driver by any means, although there are some really good shooters that can consistently get 2-3 MoA with their TAR-21 (I am not one of them). The Tavor was designed as a CQB weapon so accuracy has never been one of its strong selling points. Light-ish weight, compactness, non-restricted status and build quality are what it's known for.
Farmer Harv
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Speaking of accuracy, not an X95 but a Tavor is still a Tavor. Or something. Anyhoo, mine absolutely sprayed 55gr by any manufacturer all over the map. And sometimes off the map. I've tried a gazillion different factory loads over the years, and finally settled on Hornady Steel Match 75gr as it would generally stay within 2" at 100 yards bagged and benched.
But there I was, casually cruising SFRC's website and saw some new/different 62gr offerings. And some were pretty economical. And there was free shipping. And as everybody loves free shipping I ordered a bunch up. And seeing as the Jays were getting absolutely CRUSHED today I thought I'd go shooting instead of watching them implode. Again. Anyways, here's what happened...
Well, they're better than 55gr is all I can say. At least they stayed on the map. I didn't bother with the AE 62gr, as all the others are consistently in the 4"-5" range. As usual the 75gr in the left upper and lower corners were within 2", so I guess there's really no point in trying anything else. From here on out it's all practice and more practice, as the limiting factor is definitely going to be me, not the rifle and/or ammo.
But there I was, casually cruising SFRC's website and saw some new/different 62gr offerings. And some were pretty economical. And there was free shipping. And as everybody loves free shipping I ordered a bunch up. And seeing as the Jays were getting absolutely CRUSHED today I thought I'd go shooting instead of watching them implode. Again. Anyways, here's what happened...
Well, they're better than 55gr is all I can say. At least they stayed on the map. I didn't bother with the AE 62gr, as all the others are consistently in the 4"-5" range. As usual the 75gr in the left upper and lower corners were within 2", so I guess there's really no point in trying anything else. From here on out it's all practice and more practice, as the limiting factor is definitely going to be me, not the rifle and/or ammo.
X95 many rounds down range, shoots beautifully until the barrel heats up.....Then accuracy becomes less than desirable. Now at 174 meters on a 12 by 18 steel plate it will easily hit 10 out of 10....Until the barrel heats up usually 3-4 10 round lar mags....Then you can see the rounds impacting all around the plate.....
Is this an issue not really for my intended use, it only needs the first couple of rounds to consistently hit the intended target.
This is reminding me of the controversy associated with the German army rifle.
Is this an issue not really for my intended use, it only needs the first couple of rounds to consistently hit the intended target.
This is reminding me of the controversy associated with the German army rifle.
Agree with this, most rack grade AR's are only 2 MOA with very good ammo, and with run of the mill surplus I would say they are 4 MOA guns.
Stormchaser
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I lent mine to some local LEOs practicing with carbines to try out the Leupold scopes and they played with her for about an hour. They said they liked the Leupold scopes and when I said "sorry about the X95 accuracy" they replied, "it hits the gong at 100-200 consistently that's good enough." And I was thinking it's good enough for me! I ran 200 rounds through her that day plus what the LEOs used. No problems and hardly any residue when I cleaned her.
We have a 50m range where I shoot and there were 2 stumps hanging at 50m like reactive targets, what a hoot to swing back and forth!
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We have a 50m range where I shoot and there were 2 stumps hanging at 50m like reactive targets, what a hoot to swing back and forth!
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that is correct our qualification with the FAMAS or the MAS 49/56 was at 200m.
guess which rifle was more accurate?
INCORRECT. It was designed to get the best of BOTH. That's why it is a bullpup. You have never been to Israel. They have to deal with tight quarters in the Old City and open country and Israel is so unique in their security situation that in the morning? You can be out in the Golan in the open and right before lunch you're cooped up inside a Merkava IV going to clear out a suspected terrorist house in a densely populated area. After lunch it's off to assist police in crowd control and then the afternoon terrorist tunnels underground. Dinner and then more crowd control and back on the Golan out in the open again. Literally within mere MINUTES you can be inside or out in the field. THAT is why it has to be BOTH CQB and for field use. IWI knew that from their experiences/reports from the police and IDF who used their Galil's and they cannot just go back to the base, switch weapons and THEN respond to a terrorist attack long after its over. It's also why you will NEVER see them carrying FN-FAL's ever again.
From this experience the IDF, the Border Police and the federal police realized they needed something which could be used indoors AND out in the open countryside. Only the POLICE regularly carry sidearms and full length M16's are very difficult to work with in the Old City, hence why many IDF members picked up M4's..... when they could. It's ALSO the reason why you hardly ever saw the IDF carrying full length Galil AR/ARM's instead using the mid-size SAR.
The X95 was never designed as a DMR, people seem to think because of its cost it should be the "one gun to bind them all". Fact is you get a high quality versatile environment, durable workhorse of a military style rifle that hits what you aim at and won't let you down, while being non-restricted and designed and manufactured by the Isreali's who know a heck of a lot more about war zones than most people. Its like saying the TaylorMade 7 iron is unacceptable cause I can't use it as a driver. It is not for the bench rest shooter. It is more for the run and gunner.
