Xcr vs ACR

00 You're right but you're splitting hairs.

The heart of the Remington and Bushmaster are the same. Identical operating systems, one is military/law enforcement and the other is civilian.
Some day that forend will be available to us lowly peasants.
Aftermarket companies are starting to make parts for the ACR
http://clandestinecomponents.com/products/modular-acr-handguard-long-staggered

Luckily for us the lowers are different, if they weren't both models would be prohib to civilians.


I think the new DMR version is going to be a tank and just because they put a heavier profile barrel doesn't mean it's going to be a sniper rifle. I prefer my light weight non restricted conversion. I have no interest in the new one.
 
cr5 said:
Luckily for us the lowers are different, if they weren't both models would be prohib to civilians.


I think the new DMR version is going to be a tank and just because they put a heavier profile barrel doesn't mean it's going to be a sniper rifle. I prefer my light weight non restricted conversion. I have no interest in the new one.
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You are right. Didn't even think of that! If it was the same lower we'd be in the same situation as the scar

And I agree about the dmr. It will be a beast!
When the day comes if I ever get an acr. I'll definitely go the same route as you.
 
My ACR is 8.3 pounds without optics. Doesn't feel heavy though.
I'm getting my AR180 back from my buddy to use as my lightweight non restricted varminter though.
I like having options :)
 
I take my ACR to most WRAS matches. If anyone wants to check it out let me know. Happy to let people try it.
 
ntm said:
Never had a problem with the folder binding up. The grip is smaller around, and at a more vertical angle than some. I don't hate it, but being able to swap it out certainly would have been nice. Perhaps my only beef with the rifle.
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Just curious is all...lol...

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I'm not sure why your friend needs to adjust his LOP regularly. I find a comfortable position on mine that gives good eye relief for my optic and leave it there. Comparing to my buddy's XCR-M the ACR stock is much better than the FAST, he constantly shows me how easy it is to have the stock unlock and fold when you shoulder it and give it a wiggle.
As for the grip, it feels like a Magpul MOE grip. I do wish it was replaceable though as I would love to put on an MOE+.
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As far as why the need to adjust so much, honestly never asked him maybe just getting comfortable. Your point about eye relief I totally get for sure. Honestly when it comes to the fast stock on the XCR anyone who's been behind one is going to probably agree with you as I havn't been behind the fast stock for even 1 round. I switched it out basically immediately for a magpul butstock on an adjustable tube. I have heard though that there's a nasty wiggle back there.
 
I just want to put it out there this thread has exploded since 2 days ago....this morning there was barely 6 pages with 47 posts now there's 9 with 87....that's awesome haha
 
The dmr will be 2799.... i have a downpayment on one, it comes with a better trigger, and non restricted. It will be easy to trade the stock to someone for a folder. So for just over 3 k you get a non restricted acr with a better trigger.
 
polskiogorki said:
The dmr will be 2799.... i have a downpayment on one, it comes with a better trigger, and non restricted. It will be easy to trade the stock to someone for a folder. So for just over 3 k you get a non restricted acr with a better trigger.
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If I would have stopped at just the non restricted 223 barrel my ACR with Geissele super ACR trigger, folding and fixed stock, and non restricted Herron arms 1:8 twist with Wylde chamber would have cost me $2500. I bought it used and sold the custom built 12 inch barrel it came with for a nice little sum (stripped of the gas system of course) and found my used 223 barrel for a good deal as it came with much of the gas system parts so I don't have to swap parts back and forth. Having it verified and removed from the registry was done for less than $50
I decided I liked the rifle so much that I jumped on Questar's Christmas clear-out and bought my 6.8SPC barrel and just got word a couple days ago that my new bolt and extractor are in the mail. Then I had a friend build me a 300Blackout barrel which I just need to build a new op rod guide for and it will be complete. All in I've got about $3500 into it now.

So for $3500 I have an ACR with 223, 6.8SPC, and 300BLK non restricted conversions.
Does your heavy and no more accurate than the standard model DMR still sound like a good deal?
I say no more accurate because there have been a few people claiming 1.5moa from their factory 16 inch barrel and simply cutting the blank 2.5 inches longer and leaving it a heavier profile isn't going to make it shoot any better.
If you are going to buy the DMR why would you want to trade for the folder? It will just make it feel even more muzzle heavy. I would have the factory barrel re-contoured to lighten it up if you are going to try to get a different stock. It's definitely cheaper to buy a used rifle and build it the way you want it than to buy the DMR then try to change it.
If you are interested I can arrange to have a nice barrel built for you in 300BLK. Buddy still has a couple McGowen stainless 1:8 twist blanks.

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If i could get a non restricted acr with the geissele trigger and folding stock for 2500 i would be all over it like white on rice!
That being said if i could find an acr for 2k or less i would buy it and get converted.
 
polskiogorki said:
If i could get a non restricted acr with the geissele trigger and folding stock for 2500 i would be all over it like white on rice!
That being said if i could find an acr for 2k or less i would buy it and get converted.
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Just watch the EE and learn to haggle. I know of a couple that have been picked up for $2000. I have a buddy that can build a barrel cheaper than Dlask but blanks seem to be a little slow on delivery. If you can source a blank he'll do the work. I'd have to ask how much he charges for the work.

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cr5 said:
Just watch the EE and learn to haggle. I know of a couple that have been picked up for $2000. I have a buddy that can build a barrel cheaper than Dlask but blanks seem to be a little slow on delivery. If you can source a blank he'll do the work. I'd have to ask how much he charges for the work.

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That's some really nice work! Thanks for the help, il pm you when i find one.
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cr5 said:
Just watch the EE and learn to haggle. I know of a couple that have been picked up for $2000. I have a buddy that can build a barrel cheaper than Dlask but blanks seem to be a little slow on delivery. If you can source a blank he'll do the work. I'd have to ask how much he charges for the work.

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That's some really nice work! Thanks for the help, il pm you when i find one.
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I actually just saw a used acr on the ee for 2000. (Restricted). Perfect chance for anyone wanting to do a conversion.
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00aught said:
polskiogorki said:
I actually just saw a used acr on the ee for 2000. (Restricted). Perfect chance for anyone wanting to do a conversion.
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There you go, approx $2500 +/- $100 and you have a non restricted ACR in 300BLK.
Just a small amount of work re-profiling and shortening the op rod and building an op rod guide and you're done.
The other guy I know that does barrel conversions says you don't need to reprofile the op rod (only shorten it) to do a carbine length gas system. I will have to look closer.
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I've been meaning to ask, what is the attraction to the 300 blk ?
If we were allowed to have suppressors, it would make sense, but why not the ballistically superior 6.8 spc ?
 
cr5 said:
Just watch the EE and learn to haggle. I know of a couple that have been picked up for $2000. I have a buddy that can build a barrel cheaper than Dlask but blanks seem to be a little slow on delivery. If you can source a blank he'll do the work. I'd have to ask how much he charges for the work.

Here is my 300 Blackout barrel he built for me.
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anything new on a complete 450 conversion yet?
 
ntm said:
I've been meaning to ask, what is the attraction to the 300 blk ?
If we were allowed to have suppressors, it would make sense, but why not the ballistically superior 6.8 spc ?
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I don't see the appeal of 300 blk either. I'd be more interested in a 7.62x39 conversion than 300blk
 
Brian,
Last time I taked to him 1911A1 was still using his 450 regularly and it's working well. If you want I'll ask him if he'll build one for you but including a new bolt and the machining it's gonna cost a minimum of $600. Still not bad considering an XCR conversion is $700.

The appeal of the 300BLK is the versatility of being able to run 110gr at 2300-2400fps and 200+ grain subsonic and every weight in between. Just because we can't have a can doesn't mean subsonics don't have a good use. They are quieter than supersonic and hit the flanges hard. If you are non restricted you can also hunt with them under 100yds and easily take a deer. I'll be hunting using 150gr SST's this fall as long as I can get a load to shoot consistently.
The 300BLK also has some of the cheapest brass out there. Pick up 100 pieces of 223 at the range for free and spend an hour turning them into 300BLK.
Using the most common bullet size out there is also a big plus.

For me the x39 has little appeal, you have 124gr corrosive, 124gr non corrosive and 124gr soft point. If you are going to reload x39 it's no cheaper to shoot than 300BLK and good luck finding any variety of .311 bullets.
For me, the only appeal x39 has is that it's cheap but I would never run corrosive through a $2500 rifle.
 
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ntm said:
I've been meaning to ask, what is the attraction to the 300 blk ?
If we were allowed to have suppressors, it would make sense, but why not the ballistically superior 6.8 spc ?
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I also have a 6.8 conversion. I should have my new bolt in the next week then I'll be out testing it.
The 6.8 will probably be going up for sale though once I turn the test loads into once fired Hornady brass.
I don't need three calibers for this rifle and I've already got an AR in 300BLK so I'm more inclined to stick with it.
 
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