Xcr vs ACR
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Does that mean you finally bought an ACR?
Details? Pictures in the ACR info thread?
I don't think he has any kits ready for sale but I'm sure he could copy what he's done on his. Do you want him to source gas system components or will you use what your rifle came with? If your rifle is restricted there is no reason to keep the gas system on the factory barrel since it's illegal to put the 16 inch back on once you make it non restricted (even at the range). It will get expensive if you want all new gas system parts.
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I'll message him and PM you when I hear back.
stevey3737
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I haven't owned an ACR but I have owned 2 XCR's still own one, the biggest difference I see in Canada is availability, when I wanted to buy my second XCR I picked a vendor and bought it! try to do that with a non restricted ACR there like unicorns
That might have something to do with the fact they aren't available yet from the factory.
If you want a restricted ACR most Bushmaster retailers have them in stock and if you ask them to match IRunGuns price you should be able to get one for around $2500 then for around $500-$1000 more (depending which route you take) you can have a non restricted ACR that will outshoot an XCR.
Calgary Shooting Center will supply a new restricted ACR, install the Dlask barrel and do the paperwork to de-classify it. Give them a call for pricing.
Or you could look on the EE and buy the one on there that is already non restricted.
I don't think Herron will provide barrels for any other retailers as that would cut into his income.
Herron requires you to ship them a restricted rifle and they do the conversion. I don't know if they will supply a rifle for the conversion. Best way to find out is to call them.
So are you saying your buddy could source and do a 7.62x39 NR barrel, using the gas system and other parts off my restricted barrel, and provide and machine a 7.62x39 bolt, for $600ish? If so, I'd be in, too! Particularly if he doesn't have to modify the gas system parts in any way - I'd want the option of returning those parts to my 5.56 barrel if the laws change in the future.
I'd love an NR light-profile 7.62x39 barrel, and probably then get a NR 5.56 barrel down the road.
If he has a 7.62x39 reamer to cut the chamber I guess it's possible.
As for the 450 bushmaster conversion and in a way for all conversions.
The cost of a complete gas system is $550 from Gravel and can take up to a year for the parts to arrive as everything is back-ordered.
Depending on the quality of the barrel sourced you are looking at $300-$500 just for the blank and then another $150-$200 for the machining.
The .223 bolt and extractor is about $120 plus the machining to open up the bolt face to accept the new cartridge.
It's not cheap if you want to go with a cartridge that needs a new bolt. That's why I suggest that if you want 7.62x39 you get with the times and convert to 300 Blackout. It's a superior cartridge and requires no modifications other than a new barrel and shorter gas system. If you only want to shoot supersonic it can probably be made to cycle with an unmodified mid length gas system. It's currently only a viable option if you are a handloader or if you have lots of cash. The cheapest I've seen ammo for is $16/box but it's not easy to find it for that price. Reloading is awesome though as you can load from 110gr-220gr and everything in between depending what you want to do.
7.62x39 is for red rifles. They were built for it and their magazines feed it better. Doesn't make sense to me to buy a $3000 modern rifle then convert it to shoot a cheap dirty surplus round from the 40's.
If I was on a budget I would just do a NR 223 conversion. If you want a x39 an 858 is a better option. I don't remember which ones of those weren't affected by the latest RCMP crap but I know a couple models are still available to us.
CR5, thanks for the info. The reason I'm thinking 7.62x39 is because I don't reload, and I bought a huge pile of non-corrosive 7.62x39 a few years ago back when it was cheap. May just go with a NR 5.56 barrel, as I've got lots of that ammo too, but it's nice to have options 
I just gave you the details, all the prices are there.
If you want a 450 conversion then you can either order the gas parts yourself including the new bolt and then when it arrives I'll help you get them to the machinist and have him build the barrel and modify the bolt or you can pay up front and be patient while he orders all the parts and waits for them to show so he can build your conversion. Getting a 45 blank for the build isn't too hard so if you commit to the build then he'll order the barrel.
No one wants to pay out of pocket for something you may change your mind on later. You've been talking about it for months and haven't even bought a rifle yet. Once you make up your mind and commit to a platform let me know and I'll try to help.
I wont shoot the rifle in restricted 223, I might if it was NR but prices are too high IMO for current conversions and hearing of the problems herron has had to fix with other brand converts, so buying the rifle ahead of time is pointless to me if you are saying a conversion is a year or more away. Unless this guy is a store/business and provides a receipt for my payment for something that has potential to take a year or more for him to deliver I also have to wonder if I will ever get what I am paying for (a working 450 acr conversion) a year or more down the road.
Sorry for thinking out loud but that is how I see it
The up to a year wait is for parts from Gravel, you are free to order them yourself and then once they are all in your hands you can send them to him to build the conversion, once he has the parts the barrel build and fitting only takes a few days. Just give him some notice so he can order a barrel blank. The wait is for the backordered parts not for him to do the conversion.
He is in the process of getting his manufacturers license (may have it by now) and then he will be a business and will be a site sponsor but in the mean time the longer you sit on the fence thinking out loud the longer you will wait to get the rifle.
You're thinking out loud is why he won't order all the parts and the barrel for you without some commitment on your end. It seems that all you do is think out loud and he doesn't want to get stuck with a $1000 conversion when you change your mind down the road.
Of course it's expensive, you are asking for something that requires a lot of money in parts and labor.
I haven't heard of any conversions Herron has had to work on to get functioning, care to share some details. The only conversions out there to my knowledge are Herron arms 223 conversions, Dlask 223 barrels and some Questar barrels before they got out of the ACR due to lack of parts availability from Bushmaster. Other than those conversions the 300 Blackout I had built and the 3 or 4 1911 built are the only ones out there in Canada.
I'm thinking its time to get a rebarreled acr from Herron arms. Can anyone recommend twist and what profile I should get? Should I get a wylde chamber? I plan on shooting lots if cheap surplus ammo through it for fun but also want to use it with some heavy bullets for coyote hunting.
I would go with a 1:8 twist and a Wylde chamber. My favorite combination for a 223 rifle
I would go with a 1:8 twist and a Wylde chamber. My favorite combination for a 223 rifle
Thanks. Do you know if they can be rebarreled with a machined flash hider to keep the length down? Or does he only thread them? I'm still waiting on an email back from him. Also what is the best barrel blank to use?
