Your 5 rarest milsurps
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Actually found a pile of them down east. Only kept a couple for the 2 I have.
And just to stay on track here, I'm waiting ( again) for my latest that had to go to Ottawa lab, then I'll post some stuff. Gawd I hope it won't do any drive-bys after I get it. Imagine the horror.
I can't explain the process to my non-gunny buddies about the lab thing. It's too stupid for anyone to actually believe me.
Rare, not exactly most valuable, in no particular order.
1. British SMLE 1914 dated.
2. Browning 1900 serial #247. Almost a million were made.
3. Mas 49 Sniper - only 6,000 made, also called the Syrian contract.
4. Mas 49/56 Sniper - France sold a few thousand MAS 49/56s and 49s to export milsurp companies in the 90s, then they destroyed the remainder of their lot shortly afterwards. Except for the few thousand that made it out of the country the rest are gone for good. Most were not snipers.
5. Johnson 1941 with Nov 1941 dated receiver - Only 20k made, most lost during the war or sporterized in the 50s. They sell for 2-3x the price down south.
*Honorable mentions to an 8x50R caliber M95, a 1914 dated Mosin Nagant 91, a 1942 dated G.24(t), and a 1944 dated M1A1.
1. British SMLE 1914 dated.
2. Browning 1900 serial #247. Almost a million were made.
3. Mas 49 Sniper - only 6,000 made, also called the Syrian contract.
4. Mas 49/56 Sniper - France sold a few thousand MAS 49/56s and 49s to export milsurp companies in the 90s, then they destroyed the remainder of their lot shortly afterwards. Except for the few thousand that made it out of the country the rest are gone for good. Most were not snipers.
5. Johnson 1941 with Nov 1941 dated receiver - Only 20k made, most lost during the war or sporterized in the 50s. They sell for 2-3x the price down south.
*Honorable mentions to an 8x50R caliber M95, a 1914 dated Mosin Nagant 91, a 1942 dated G.24(t), and a 1944 dated M1A1.
I have a hard time explaining the entire RCMP/Firearms Act thing to non shooter because they cant believe the stupidity either. And years of Liberal brain washing has made them assume that X/Y/Z is illegal and immoral.
- Location
- Beaverlodge, Alberta
Sledge you also have a BSA transitional SMLE, the transition supposedly happened over about 60,000 rifles and how many MkIIIs were born without a slot is pretty unknown.
- Location
- Beaverlodge, Alberta
NRF No1 MkIII*
Ross MkI*
1918 SSA No1 MkIII*
Those are my rare ones.
Ross MkI*
1918 SSA No1 MkIII*
Those are my rare ones.
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- Location
- Sault Ste. Marie
A actual rare firearm (quantity wise), a Venezuelan SAFN-49, one of approximately 8000 produced (for that contract).
And for rare/uncommon in Canada, a Arisaka Type 99, and a Ishapore 2A1 (7.62 Nato Lee Enfield).
And for rare/uncommon in Canada, a Arisaka Type 99, and a Ishapore 2A1 (7.62 Nato Lee Enfield).
Okay, you want FIVE.
FIVE we can do, but no pics: waiting for this damned World to dry up so they don't sink out of sight on the "lawn".
SMLE I*** LSA 1904, Army conversion, done by the book, conversion from Mark I.
SMLE I*** Enfield 1907, Navy conversion, done the way the Navy wanted it, conversion from Mark I*. Still has a taper-bored barrel.
1944 Long Branch, unfired, exhibition-grade wood, British-type safety, no markings, no serial number, commercial-grade finish: exhibition piece from SOMEWHERE
SMLE 1897/1908 Converted Mark IV, 1942 barrel (!) Yes, they were made.
Armaguerra Model 1939, built Armaguerra Cremona 1940. This was to have been Italy's new SEMI-AUTO rifle, less than 100 built. Mine is serial A38. Any OTHERS out there?
Suppose I COULD throw in a "No-name, no-date" Kar 98b, came out of the 1926 or so von Seeckt secret rearmament program, been to Poland, I believe. Dog's breakfast for numbers, sure shoots nice!
SA SVT-40, very last one that Globe had, many years ago. Looks awful but it is all there.
Mark III Ross from the old HMS Canada/Almirante Latorre. Served with 16 Batt in Bermuda, then the gas attack and night battle at Second Ypres.
And just recently, a chopped Mark III Ross that served with 226 Batt which later became the XII Manitoba Dragoons: MY old regiment. Ballsofice154 positively drooled on this one; he wants it for the Regimental Museum and I want it for the rifle range!!
FIVE we can do, but no pics: waiting for this damned World to dry up so they don't sink out of sight on the "lawn".
SMLE I*** LSA 1904, Army conversion, done by the book, conversion from Mark I.
SMLE I*** Enfield 1907, Navy conversion, done the way the Navy wanted it, conversion from Mark I*. Still has a taper-bored barrel.
1944 Long Branch, unfired, exhibition-grade wood, British-type safety, no markings, no serial number, commercial-grade finish: exhibition piece from SOMEWHERE
SMLE 1897/1908 Converted Mark IV, 1942 barrel (!) Yes, they were made.
Armaguerra Model 1939, built Armaguerra Cremona 1940. This was to have been Italy's new SEMI-AUTO rifle, less than 100 built. Mine is serial A38. Any OTHERS out there?
Suppose I COULD throw in a "No-name, no-date" Kar 98b, came out of the 1926 or so von Seeckt secret rearmament program, been to Poland, I believe. Dog's breakfast for numbers, sure shoots nice!
SA SVT-40, very last one that Globe had, many years ago. Looks awful but it is all there.
Mark III Ross from the old HMS Canada/Almirante Latorre. Served with 16 Batt in Bermuda, then the gas attack and night battle at Second Ypres.
And just recently, a chopped Mark III Ross that served with 226 Batt which later became the XII Manitoba Dragoons: MY old regiment. Ballsofice154 positively drooled on this one; he wants it for the Regimental Museum and I want it for the rifle range!!
A DNA test will prove that multiple people drooled over it so I'm not alone in the drooling category.
I'm sure we can work out a deal so the museum gets it on a loan for the winter were it stays nice and warm, and you get it back for the summer... (I entirely doubt it will leave the sock closet just wishful thinking)
My own collection has nothing rare just a couple uncommon rifles:
1916 M96 Swedish Mauser with Elm stock and marked to a I H Westerberg of Överkalix Sweden (FSR Shooter) and
1908 Ross MKII*** marked to the CFA and sent to the US as a training rifle which was sadly sportized but she will be made whole one day.
But the museum has a 13mm Mauser Anti tank rifle that Smellie and Twosteam were looking at and trying not to start drooling over...
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John, we can probably work something out on those lines. Really, it belongs where people can see it. That's half the reason I bought it when I learned it might be for sale.
Just needs a bit of time for conserving first. Wood is MUCH too dry.
According to the calendar, I am pushing 70 these days. I am also one of the YOUNGEST surviving members of the XII Manitoba Dragoons. The WW2 generation are in their 90s now. I was in about a year and a half when one of those periodic "militia reforms" came along; it "reformed" about HALF of the Militia units in the country OUT OF EXISTENCE: colours cased, Regiment paid off, Armoury bulldozed, Tanks used for target practice, 80 years of national Service and History just p*ssed on.
Hitler, Harkness, Hellyer: the Three Corporals who did the greatest damage to the Canadian Military.
Just needs a bit of time for conserving first. Wood is MUCH too dry.
According to the calendar, I am pushing 70 these days. I am also one of the YOUNGEST surviving members of the XII Manitoba Dragoons. The WW2 generation are in their 90s now. I was in about a year and a half when one of those periodic "militia reforms" came along; it "reformed" about HALF of the Militia units in the country OUT OF EXISTENCE: colours cased, Regiment paid off, Armoury bulldozed, Tanks used for target practice, 80 years of national Service and History just p*ssed on.
Hitler, Harkness, Hellyer: the Three Corporals who did the greatest damage to the Canadian Military.
SKS: the rifle that ALMOST fought WW3. It was a LOT closer than most people realise.
Moisin-Nagant 91/30: SU's main battle rifle in WW2
MN Model 44: the LAST fullpower Carbine with a built-in spear attached
Turkish Mauser: there are a dozen types and 2 calibres and they all reek of history. Which one?
VZ-24: armed half of Europe and a chunk of the rest of the world before Adolf came goose-stepping into town. Which model? Could have been ANYwhere.
Nuthin' to apologise over, friend.
Moisin-Nagant 91/30: SU's main battle rifle in WW2
MN Model 44: the LAST fullpower Carbine with a built-in spear attached
Turkish Mauser: there are a dozen types and 2 calibres and they all reek of history. Which one?
VZ-24: armed half of Europe and a chunk of the rest of the world before Adolf came goose-stepping into town. Which model? Could have been ANYwhere.
Nuthin' to apologise over, friend.
Might as well join in...my top 5 looks like this:
1. 1918 date M94/14 Carbine. Matching, and one of the few fitted with the early style bore condition disc.
2. 1905 Ross mk2** Commercial Target Rifle. Fitted with the rare BSA sideplate mount, and Parker Hale 9G sight.
3. 1905 Ross Mk2***** Many past unit markings including those of the "Queens Own Cameron Highlanders".
4. 1899 Date Norwegian M1894 Long Krag. Mismatched, but has excellent barrel.
5. Norwegian issue M1D Century brought these in around 1981.
1. 1918 date M94/14 Carbine. Matching, and one of the few fitted with the early style bore condition disc.
2. 1905 Ross mk2** Commercial Target Rifle. Fitted with the rare BSA sideplate mount, and Parker Hale 9G sight.
3. 1905 Ross Mk2***** Many past unit markings including those of the "Queens Own Cameron Highlanders".
4. 1899 Date Norwegian M1894 Long Krag. Mismatched, but has excellent barrel.
5. Norwegian issue M1D Century brought these in around 1981.
Only one rare Milsurp based gun here.
It's a K11 actioned target rifle with a swede 6.5x55 barrel somehow mated to the action. The barrel and action is sitting in a beautiful custom made pistol grip walnut stock complete with fine checkering and a hollow buttstock to lighten the whole thing. The barrel is wearing an unknown 7mm muzzle break and a quick change front sight. The rear is a vintage Walther diopter sight.
The trigger is match grade adjustable for take up, breaks at about 1.5 pounds. No safety either, it was bobbed I suspect to quicken lock time.
Here's a pic (from Buffdog) for those of you who haven't seen it in previous posts.
I have several military target rifles here but this one is by far the best.
Could even be 1 of 1. Who knows??
It will be available to try at the next Virden shoot for anyone who wants to play with it.
It's a K11 actioned target rifle with a swede 6.5x55 barrel somehow mated to the action. The barrel and action is sitting in a beautiful custom made pistol grip walnut stock complete with fine checkering and a hollow buttstock to lighten the whole thing. The barrel is wearing an unknown 7mm muzzle break and a quick change front sight. The rear is a vintage Walther diopter sight.
The trigger is match grade adjustable for take up, breaks at about 1.5 pounds. No safety either, it was bobbed I suspect to quicken lock time.
Here's a pic (from Buffdog) for those of you who haven't seen it in previous posts.
I have several military target rifles here but this one is by far the best.
Could even be 1 of 1. Who knows??
It will be available to try at the next Virden shoot for anyone who wants to play with it.
Oh, those last two are just so damned PRETTY!
Magnificent, both of them.
@KENNYMO:
Yes, friend, I would say the same, but everybody keeps telling me that it doesn't exist. Sure takes up enough ROOM for something that doesn't exist! What I was told, many years ago, was that SIX were done with the composite Aluminum/Wood stocks and a DOZEN were done with the recycled Ross butt. As well, mine has a SUNCORITE finish and a 1945 Barrel Date with Enfield Inspectors' markings. Enfield STOPPED all work on the Number 1 rifle TWO YEARS previously. It is a Toolroom rifle, most definitely..... but it doesn't exist.
Magnificent, both of them.
@KENNYMO:
Yes, friend, I would say the same, but everybody keeps telling me that it doesn't exist. Sure takes up enough ROOM for something that doesn't exist! What I was told, many years ago, was that SIX were done with the composite Aluminum/Wood stocks and a DOZEN were done with the recycled Ross butt. As well, mine has a SUNCORITE finish and a 1945 Barrel Date with Enfield Inspectors' markings. Enfield STOPPED all work on the Number 1 rifle TWO YEARS previously. It is a Toolroom rifle, most definitely..... but it doesn't exist.
