Tavor fever
- Thread starter DILLIGAF
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Because some of us...ie myself plan to use it for hunting. My last range session I got my handloads down to 1.5" for my Keymod XCR which is adequte for hunting coyotes. I'm considering trading my XCR for a Tavor and want the same level of accuracy. If I want a bullpup to shoot gongs and piss around I will buy a T97 I expect higher level of accuracy from a rifle that costs 3K.
Mikethebike,,,Id be happy with that accuracy, I will check out your thread.
Cheers!!
andrew3081
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Vancouver, BC
Things does not work like what you want.
More expensive does not mean better accuracy.
Show us proof, I've never seen any targets posted of anywhere close to that from a Tavor. Mike's 1.5 moa is the best pic I've seen so far.
I'd like to see 3 or 4 targets with 5 shot sub 1 moa groups. No discounted flyers, no BS. Not just a once in a lifetime fluke group. If your rifle is doing that then you have the Tavor unicorn and should also be very proud of your shooting ability.
This is exactly what I was talking about in my earlier post. Now if scott_r goes out and buys one and can't get less than 2 moa he's going to be disappointed and regret his purchase. It is a lot of money for a rifle but if you buy it for the non restricted bullpup fun factor it's a good rifle but if you buy it expecting 1 moa accuracy you will be disappointed.
This is a battle rifle, not a DMR rifle. If you get 2-3 moa the rifle is performing as it was designed. If you get better than 2 moa you have found it's favorite ammo and should be very happy with it.
Honestly though, who can afford to run premium ammo through a .223 all day? I run the good stuff and handloads through my 223's when I want to be making little groups but 95% of the time my semi auto 223's get fed 55gr dirty bird and I'm happy with 2-3 moa.
If you want to make 1 moa or better when you're at the range then take an AR with you. The rest of the time 2-3 moa is adequate to have fun with and ring plates out to 300 yards.
If you want to hunt with it then either get closer to your prey or use a rifle better suited to the task.
Why does it sound like so many guys expect to be able to just own one rifle to do everything? Who says you can't own 15 different rifles and just take whichever one suits the days activities best?
I want to point out that consistent sub moa with factory ammo on a reliable and durable black rifle semi auto is extremely rare and usually requires a whole lot of custom work (expensive) chamber, barrel, etc. Off the shelf you're looking at Les Baer and the likes.
A whole lot of people say x black rifle is sub moa, but really guys you can't all believe the BS that floats around here. I've been around the block a while now as regards to firearms and the terms reliable and durable rarely go with sub-moa when it comes to semi-automatic.
A whole lot of people say x black rifle is sub moa, but really guys you can't all believe the BS that floats around here. I've been around the block a while now as regards to firearms and the terms reliable and durable rarely go with sub-moa when it comes to semi-automatic.
Very true.
I have found that with my XCR at best can get groups at 1.5" but thats on a proper rest, a very calm day and me taking my time to watch my trigger and watch the barrel from getting to hot. This is also after doing numerous test with different handloads, OAL..bullets weights,,bullet types.
Most people I see that say they only get 3-4 moa out of their Tavors never handload for them. My handloads easily bring my groups down 1 sometimes 2 inches. I went from shooting 4.5 inch groups with MFS ammo to 1.5" with Sierra Blitzkings/ Varget. I encourage some of you guys to handload, its relatively cheap and will greatly improve your groups. Couple that with the new triggers and Tavors could be quite good shooters.
Cheers!!
Very true and if you need a semi auto rifle with a full clip of ammo to go hunting you need to take up ping pong or something else, You buy a semi auto rifle and .50 cal beowulf magazines to enjoy the thrill of sending a dozen plus rounds down the range into a target in a very short amount of time. If that is how you hunt then I pitty the poor animal your doing that too
Very true and if you need a semi auto rifle with a full clip of ammo to go hunting you need to take up ping pong or something else, You buy a semi auto rifle and .50 cal beowulf magazines to enjoy the thrill of sending a dozen plus rounds down the range into a target in a very short amount of time. If that is how you hunt then I pitty the poor animal your doing that too
Field tenderizing
Agreed
The only time you should need more than one or two rounds is varmint hunting.
If you need more than 2 shots hunting big game you are a terrible shot, you are using the wrong rifle, you are using the wrong bullets, or you are too far away and should learn to be a better hunter so you can get closer.
Most of you know I'm not a huge fan of the Tavor but I do think it's a well built rifle that does exactly what it was designed to do. I have shot 4 Tavors and I did enjoy shooting them but they just don't give me that "I gotta have one of these" kinda feeling. If they were priced closer to $2000 I might be more interested but I don't see them doing anything better than my non restricted ACR, expecially now that my 300BLK conversion is done and working perfectly.
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Very true and if you need a semi auto rifle with a full clip of ammo to go hunting you need to take up ping pong or something else, You buy a semi auto rifle and .50 cal beowulf magazines to enjoy the thrill of sending a dozen plus rounds down the range into a target in a very short amount of time. If that is how you hunt then I pitty the poor animal your doing that too
Well thats an ignorant comment if I have ever heard one. Your knowledge of firearms shines with the use of "clip"...its called a magazine..a little firearm 101 for you. The AR 15 is a staple predator rifle in the States but you wouldnt know that nor have you had 6 charging coyotes come at you to know the advantage of a semi-auto. Having the ability to stay on target shot after shot is an advantage. Because a shooter has a full mag doesn't mean he goes and does a mag dump at an animal..mags dumps are a complete waste and prove nothing.
And exactly what was the purpose of Israeli Tavor? Sure as heck was for plinking and paper punching...nor for hunting coyotes. The anti's would eat that up in heart beat and it leads down a dangerous path.
"You" decided a Tavor wasn't adequate for hunting but that doesn't mean the next guy has to think the same. Also your term "hunt" can be alot different then the next guys. Im not here to stir crap...but we need to start thinking outside the box.
- Location
- Southern ontario
Im going for yotes in the fall with the type 97 yall fudds can get raped
Dorian Gray
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I'll be bringing my Tavor deer hunting this year. I'm sure i'll get a few strange looks from the old timers. Up here in Northern Ontario, we are limited to buying 2 wolf/coyote tags per year (don't get me started on how ####ing stupid this is) so having the Tavor/Beowulf combo out for them seems a little pointless. I agree the accuracy isn't the greatest but it's mean't to be a 2ish MOA rifle which is good enough to hit center mass on anything i'll ever have any business shooting at out to about 300 yards. Good enough for me.
Up here in Northern Ontario, we are limited to buying 2 wolf/coyote tags per year (don't get me started on how ####ing stupid this is) so having the Tavor/Beowulf combo out for them seems a little pointless. I agree the accuracy isn't the greatest but it's mean't to be a 2ish MOA rifle which is good enough to hit center mass on anything i'll ever have any business shooting at out to about 300 yards. Good enough for me.I'll be bringing my Tavor deer hunting this year. I'm sure i'll get a few strange looks from the old timers.
Are the laws different yet again out East? We have a 5 round magazine limit when "hunting" for any game under a license with a centerfire rifle.
Coyote or Wolf hunting with a Beowulf mag would be fun if your electronic caller was working well that day and you had a few coming in at once.
Just be sure to use an appropriate bullet and deer hunting with the Tavor would be very fun.
Your right, it's easily MOW minute of whitetail
Lol? Can't tell if serious...
I agree there is no better rifle out there for a SHTF scenario like a tavor they are awesome rifles.
Im dead serious....Its crazy comes mid jan at -30. They will run full tilt, hell bent on killing the sound of a dying rabbit. They arent gonna attack a human but the first kill shot is easy,,the 2nd, 3rd, 4th...are really tough with a bolt gun. This is where a semi- is really handy. Kinda like shooting gophers with a 10-22...follow up shots are so much easier and quicker. Or it could simply be I suck behind a bolt gun...lol
Cheers!!
Dorian Gray
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I havn't checked this year but in last years book it said, and i'm paraphrasing, that "you could use any centerfire rifle in any caliber you wanted as long as you were following the federal firearms laws." So the Tavor/Beowulf combo would be gtg for coyotes. The flip side to it is if you want to go after moose with a .22 Hornet, you're also gtg...
(Before someone chimes in i'll state that yes, i'm well aware there are some county's in south western ontario that have the "No hunting with anything over .275 caliber." rule)
Word. I'm trying to find factory ammo right now loaded with partitions or something like that to drastically decrease the chance of bullet failure. Got any leads? This isn't specifically directed at you cr5. I'll take leads from anyone.
