Desert Tech confirms a Canadian MDR
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ST Kinetics BMCR employs a somewhat similar ejection concept, and they are more developed than the MDR. They were pimping in at Eurosatory already.
So, yes, the concept of side ejecting forward is not new.
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I got a reply from DT this morning.
Expected delivery of the 19 inch model is 3rd or 4th quarter of 2015, 300BLK will be available in the 19 inch but not for a few months after initial release, and they are using Lothar Walther barrels on all models.
So for us in Canada that translates into delivery 4th quarter of 2016 to first quarter of 2017. This is my best quesstimate based on having to wait for the RCMP firearms lab to waste as much time as they can trying to find a reason to restrict or prohibit the ones sent in for examination and classification.
Start saving your loonies.
Expected delivery of the 19 inch model is 3rd or 4th quarter of 2015, 300BLK will be available in the 19 inch but not for a few months after initial release, and they are using Lothar Walther barrels on all models.
So for us in Canada that translates into delivery 4th quarter of 2016 to first quarter of 2017. This is my best quesstimate based on having to wait for the RCMP firearms lab to waste as much time as they can trying to find a reason to restrict or prohibit the ones sent in for examination and classification.
Start saving your loonies.
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Maybe they could get a restricted version to an importer now, get that classification started, and then submit a longer barrel later. Same gun, just a "child" record update to the frt "parent" record which would be a short, easy update rather than waiting to start with just a NR version.
Good idea, I'd buy a restricted version then just get a NR barrel when they become available and have it verified and made non restricted.
Hopefully these use an AR barrel extension and we could just build our own conversions like I did with my ACR.
I also just replied asking him to clarify the measurements of the 19 inch barrel and explained that it must be measured from the boltface to the end of the rifling and that a pinned on muzzle device would not count here.
Our laws sure are stupid, two inches is the difference between safe and a baby killer? Canada could have at least gone with the same 16 inch number they use in the US to help simplify things for everyone involved.
Oh wait, what was I thinking? That would make sense.
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Maybe email them about getting a restricted version to an importer for the lab. The receiver is the issue. Barrel length would just be a verification as you mentioned. Would save them 6 to 9 months of waiting to open up another market.
Just got another reply.
Barrel will be a full 19 inches not including the muzzle device.
I'm going to hold off on the questions for a little while. He mentioned that they are getting bombarded with emails about the MDR.
I'd rather they work on getting it on the market than spend all day on the computer. We can always go through IRG for a restricted model and get the ball rolling with the RCMP lab that way once they are released.
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Haha. One more won't hurt, especially if it is an email that advises them they can get the classification process started earlier than waiting for the 19 inch barrels. Means getting sales earlier too.
Lol, I doubt they are overly concerned with the 100 rifles they will sell in Canada, most people say they want one and would buy one but have all kinds of excuses when it comes to actually shelling out the $3000. Look at all the posts already trying to pick apart the rifle before they've actually seen it or the "if only it had this" or "it won't be adopted by any military units". Those are excuses trying to hide the fact that their wife won't let them have a rifle that costs this much.
I think DT is going to focus on the US market for the thousands of rifles they will buy then once the sales stabilize the 19 inch will be looked at.
We always have IRG if we can't wait for the 19 inch.
Then since North Sylvia is the importer maybe they need to bring in a couple 16 inch rifles to start the process.
If you look at euro optic they sell them like the HTI and SRS, you buy a chassis and then a caliber kit. shouldn't the lab just need one chassis and one caliber kit to monkey with to generate an frt for a multi caliber chassis?
when my ACR was converted to 450, Ian did not have to send it in to have a new FRT generated for the different caliber or barrel length.
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You are right, it isn't sent for a new FRT number. Ian would just have to send in the paper work saying it was verified at the Non-Restricted barrel length. A "child" entry is made to the "parent" FRT entry, and you are good to go. Not a new FRT entry, just an amendment to the parent entry.
If the importer, be it NS or someone else, had a restricted version of the DT bullpup sent in for classification, and it got approved, the NR version would simply need a "child" update entry to that FRT entry.
Save time waiting for the NR version to come in to start the process by starting with a restricted version now if one is available.
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Might be needed to clear the OAL requirements. Some of these bullpups are so short, even with an 18.5 inch barrel they come under the OAL requirement.
An M17s overall length is 30 inches with a 21.5 inch barrel. On that bullpup, if you shortened the barrel to 18.5, you'd have an overall length of 27 inches. Gets pretty close to the 25.98 inches / 660 mm required for overall length. Only 1.02 inches of play there. Depending on the length of the rifle at the back end, this one could be cutting it close.
Can I make a suggestion on this? I really really hope that the first model of the rifle they present to the lab is the 19inch model.
If that gets classified as anything else than non restricted this whole rifle just became a waste of time.
If that gets classified as anything else than non restricted this whole rifle just became a waste of time.
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If you understood how classification works, you would realize that it doesn't matter if the sample has a 10.5, 16 or 19 inch barrel.
The rifle is either deemed prohibited, or not prohibited. Then, if not prohibited, the entire design is either restricted, or non-restricted based on it's features, such as overall length and barrel length.
Since the 19 inch version won't be available to even send to the lab until late 2015, sending a 10.5 or 16 inch barrelled version would start the process sooner as they are likely already available, or will be available sooner.
As soon as the 19 inch version shows up, the FRT for the rifle design will already be well ahead of the curve, or be completed already, thus allowing for immediate sale of the NR type. The NR type wouldn't need a new FRT if the restricted version already got one approved as restricted, it would just be an addition to that FRT entry.
As an example, the Robinson Arms XCR-L has one "Parent" FRT entry. In that "Parent" entry, there are several "child" entries to clarify classifications depending on barrel length and calibre.
Parent FRT Number = 134862
The Child Numbers are
134862-1..... 5.56MM NATO, 279mm barrel, Restricted
134862-2..... 5.56MM NATO, 305mm barrel, Restricted
134862-3..... 5.56MM NATO, 368mm barrel, Restricted
134862-4..... 5.56MM NATO, 406mm barrel Restricted
134862-5..... 5.56MM NATO, 472mm barrel, Non-Restricted
134862-6..... 6.8MM SPC, 279mm barrel, Restricted
and so on. In total, the XCR-L has 30 different child entries under the same parent entry.
The MDR would get one parent FRT entry, with various child entries for different barrel lengths and calibres with "restricted" or "non-restricted" tags as noted above. The MDR-C would get a different parent FRT entry, with various child entries as well.
So it doesn't matter which comes first for the lab, the restricted or NR version. The end result will be the same either way.
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Good to know about the barrels. That's what my DND AR10 models have. They shoot exceptionally well. Just guestimating here but.... With short stroke piston, adjustable gas block the 4pound trigger and match ammo. 3/4 or .75 moa may very well be a reality for this firearm. Although shooting bullpups off the bench is harder than an AR. The fact they would use those barrels makes me suspect accuracy wasn't overlooked with the development. Now I'm even more interested.
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