Yes it's still true, too bad you don't understand the laws are different for semi auto vs manually operated actions.
Desert Tech confirms a Canadian MDR
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Yes it's still true, too bad you don't understand the laws are different for semi auto vs manually operated actions.
Um, good?
After the SCAR BS, I'd rather see no F/A versions of this rifle produced at all!
Non reciprocating charge handles can still be used as a forward assist if designed correctly. My ACR is non reciprocating and it works as a forward assist.
Timeline? I would say we won't see one in Canada for at least a year after they are released in the US. The RCMP will probably drag this one out as long as possible.
They are shooting these full auto in the videos.
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I can say all those names.
I can also say "manual action center fired rifle" vs "semi auto center fired rifle" and know that the latter requires an 18.5 inch barrel to be non-restricted.
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding of the SCAR classification was that the company that submitted it, submitted a movie/prop version that was converted from FA or some such?
Under $3000 Canadian after the usual import and rape fee's.
I just hope there is no pre-order lists for these. I want to see retailers get them in and just put them on the shelf for first come first served. Pre-order just gives them an excuse to hold the price high and build up hype. If they do a pre-order then they should ask for a 50% non refundable deposit to keep guys from putting their names on the list at every retailer. They should also not be allowed to start their pre-order list until the FRT is approved and the rifles are shipping.
I'm tired of the false demand created by pre-order lists that just holds the prices higher till demand is met. Look at the history we've seen in the last couple years. RFB, KSG, T-97, NR ACR just to list a few. Those rifles all took longer than they were first announced and the prices stayed high till the demand died down, except for the ACR DMR which is still not available and probably won't be till 2016.
If they just put the rifle on the shelf and retailed it there would be a standard retail mark-up over their cost and they would fly off the shelves and if you are lucky enough to be in there that day you get one and if not you probably buy some other stuff before heading home. The retailer wins either way, just one way we don't get raped quite as bad.
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I agree with Copeland
Dear importer/retailer,
Please put yourself through a huge up front cost to purchase a stock of rifles,
you should stock at least 500 rifles costing $2000 a piece ($1,000,000 for those not good at math)
Don't ask people to put a name on a list... that only helps you by telling you how soon, and how much of your investment you can get back.
After all, there is NO risk of your large amount of money being invested into a firearm that takes longer than expected to be available/held at customs/declared prohib...
Signed, that guy who thinks you are not invested at all
/SARCASM
Thank you to all importers and retailers that do everything you can to keep the Canadian firearms industry stocked with new and exciting things.
That's not what I meant or said. I fully expect them all to make money off of us.
There is no more risk either way, do you think they order all their stock they are ever going to get at once? Each retailer could put a flyer on the gun counter saying coming soon (just like one of the retailers in Edmonton does), then place their initial order with the importer based on how much interest they receive. The importer would then have a general idea of how many units to order for the initial batch then when those all sell they place another order to re-stock retailers shelves.
I expect every handler along the way to the consumer to make a commission which is why I stated that if they are going to have a pre-order list that they make everyone put 50% down. How many guys had their name on every free pre-order for the RFB and T-97? lot's, guys got on all the lists hoping to get one faster then once they got one cancelled their other orders. Don't you think that hurts the retailer? They place an order hoping to deliver to everyone then one of the other retailers gets their order 2 days before they do and they are stuck with all the rifles guys backed out of.
Pre-order lists with no deposit or a refundable deposit only hurt the retailer and create a false demand that drives up the price while we wait for them to actually arrive.
I'll be buying one of these but just like my RFB I won't be going on any pre-order list. I'll wait for one to be available from one of our site sponsors.
My DTA SRS has one of the best triggers I've ever pulled. I hope the trigger on the MDR is at least as good as a quality AR trigger. These aren't target rifles though so don't expect a 2.5 pound single stage.
I have never been drawn to bullpups, for a number of reasons (which I will not go into in order to avoid the inevitable flame war). But this looks like it may change my mind, especially being that it:
1) is NR
2) is in .308
3) takes PMags
4) comes from a manufacturer that puts out quality products
Man, I gotta get a higher paying job, and fast, lol.
I was initially concerned that the funky ejection method might cause issues, but as seen in this vid posted in an earlier thread here on CGN, I like the fact that the spent case ejects with plenty of oomph.
The ejection thingy can be folded out of the way for more conventional operation. Also, I dig that the front sight is mounted to the barrel, as this allows likely reduces zero shift should you be switching out barrel. Even if you don't switch out barrel, I like a barrel mounted sight.
Very nice.
1) is NR
2) is in .308
3) takes PMags
4) comes from a manufacturer that puts out quality products
Man, I gotta get a higher paying job, and fast, lol.
I was initially concerned that the funky ejection method might cause issues, but as seen in this vid posted in an earlier thread here on CGN, I like the fact that the spent case ejects with plenty of oomph.
The ejection thingy can be folded out of the way for more conventional operation. Also, I dig that the front sight is mounted to the barrel, as this allows likely reduces zero shift should you be switching out barrel. Even if you don't switch out barrel, I like a barrel mounted sight.
Very nice.
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Definitely interested. They stated non reciprocating charging handle in the video. The main thing is, how will the operating system work. Rotating bolt, piston system? Direct impingement? Accuracy? My concern is this may just be a refined RFB. I like my RFB but I don't need another cool bullpup plinker. Now if it's really accurate... then I could convince myself that I "need" one. That being said I did wait 3 years for the RFB and got first in line. So chances are I will have to get one of these too. I just hope there is a DM version in the 19". So far it really has a lot of promise. I like what I'm seeing.
Thanks for sharing the videos, some worthwhile stuff to watch.
Further info I've found online suggests short stroke piston system with adjustable gas block. Will have to see how the accuracy is. Also not sure about the front hand guards. Almost like them, but they could look a little less like Plasticine or Playdough. Will have to see the final product. Again I'm very interested.
Thanks for sharing the videos, some worthwhile stuff to watch.
Further info I've found online suggests short stroke piston system with adjustable gas block. Will have to see how the accuracy is. Also not sure about the front hand guards. Almost like them, but they could look a little less like Plasticine or Playdough. Will have to see the final product. Again I'm very interested.
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