Rimfire IPSC style?
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You can't really start it yourself without already being in control. You would first have to be running the center fire section before you could start the rim fire section. I was very interested in IPSC but switched to bullseye when I saw what the ammo costs look like. I have two kids with a third on the way so it just isn't in the cards.
I like shooting and I'm not scared of a bit of recoil but I don't have enough spare income to justify shooting larger calibres in such volume. To each their own but it doesn't make sense to be prejudice against another caliber. Obviously there is plenty of room for centerfire only matches but wouldn't it offend your manliness to have .22 guys share the same range?
In the bullseye indoor range they shoot most of the time with .22 and then have some days for centerfire. Most shooters shoot quite a bit better with centerfire after practicing with the .22
One of the guys there has a .44 mag revolver that he shoots much better now after "playing" with a .22 at the indoor club
Why would you have to be already running anything to start a rimfire match?
Prejudice...? I don't think anyone is prejudice against .22 It's just that those who run matches or orgs like IPSC get to choose how these matches and orgs operate and they choose centerfire. If people want to shoot rimfire... there's no one stopping them from setting up an event and doing it.
I can't dignify that comment with a response. 'Very telling on the mind set of Aaronger though...
Well stated, rather than pushing one specific shooting discipline we need to attract more people to our hobby. Time to be flexible and inventive!
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Some comments, there is no way to respond other than shake your head!
Your second comment explains the first. Section leaders decide what runs. I'm not sure how your range runs but individual club members can't just start their own thing. So there is a major roadblock.
As far as prejudice towards .22 it's pretty common. I used to cringe thinking about serious shooting with .22. Talking to and shooting with some experienced shooters opened my eyes to what I would have thought a kids entry level toy.
I've shot with guys that shoot serious bench rest that still bring their .22 in the same range trip. Center fire is awesome just say'n there's room for everybody.
I was speaking out against a common mind set I've encountered that probably has nothing to do with you. I apologize. There are too many other fights that gun owners have without fighting with each other. I try to get as many people into shooting as I can. .22 is a great tool that opens people's eyes and puts a face to gun owners and gun owner rights in this country.
Some of it's common sense, some of it is in the interest of preventing the CFO from defecating a brick.. Tell me which scenario would go over better when presented to the CFO or the club's BoD for that matter...
Scenario 1: Hi, we're a bunch of new shooters, never shot an action match in our lives, we wanna organize a run and gun match! Our experince consists of ACTS-PROVE off the bench, but we promise to set up safe stages!
Scenario 2: Hi, we are experienced centerfire action shooters, our MD has already run 15 matches, we have RO's who have officiated between 20 and 100 matches, we just wanna add a rimfire division to our existing match!
For rimfire to take off in current legal and mental climate among the community, it would need the following elements:
1) A reasonably experienced pool of RO's and MD's to organize SAFE and fun matches
2) An established pool of shooters
3) A safety course (remember: CFO....something...brick) without involving the purchase of a centerfire pistol [I bought my Shadow just so I can do my Black Badge... Haven't shot a single IPSC match with it this year - only ran the AR and the Supernova in IPSC]
To get any of that up and running, one needs to draw on the existing pool of RO's, MD's and safety instructors. With that being said, I tried to put something together at my club, like an outlaw IPSC-rules MR match. Was able to get commitment from enough experienced RO's (on a personal favour basis, not because they're big fans of MR), would have been able to secure the props, but not the venue in the little time I have left here before my move. And that's another way to demonstrate that somebody experienced in running a match needs to get involved. Couldn't go through the club's IPSC section because our club rep/IPSC director wouldn't even let my shoot a single stage with my MR setup during one of our practice nights (asked him several times).
Banging on a keyboard isn't going to help anything....
Like mentioned by 7.62... If any game starts up it'll live or die by its own merit.
To all the nay sayers and defeatists who bleat on about how nothing can be started or done unless your already running something I say... Grow a ####in' pair.
Everyone started somewhere.
If your club is closed to new ideas find a club that isn't or... change your club from within.
I hear way to many shooters who say they want to shoot this or that. They say that they're willing to help or do the work, but then trot out the excuse that they have no experience so they cant.
In the immortal words of Ricky.... "it ain't rocket appliances"
I gotta go put some pants on...
Like mentioned by 7.62... If any game starts up it'll live or die by its own merit.
To all the nay sayers and defeatists who bleat on about how nothing can be started or done unless your already running something I say... Grow a ####in' pair.
Everyone started somewhere.
If your club is closed to new ideas find a club that isn't or... change your club from within.
I hear way to many shooters who say they want to shoot this or that. They say that they're willing to help or do the work, but then trot out the excuse that they have no experience so they cant.
In the immortal words of Ricky.... "it ain't rocket appliances"
I gotta go put some pants on...
Those are some of the same hurdles we faced, probably with some of the same people too. I've been only shooting hg since 2003 and ARs even less. Didn't really like the choice of events that was available in and around the gta. So we started traveling and putting on our own matches.
Now it has evolved into including multigun and even rimfire.
Who knows, maybe next year we'll do some airsoft too.....don't hold your breath.
To paraphrase 667, put on some big boy pants and build it, they will come.
Now it has evolved into including multigun and even rimfire.
Who knows, maybe next year we'll do some airsoft too.....don't hold your breath.
To paraphrase 667, put on some big boy pants and build it, they will come.
I think a rimfire carbine match would be a ton of fun and open up a few more possibilities for some clubs (thinking indoor carbine matches in the winter, for one thing 
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But did anyone else see what I saw at 0:54 in this video? WTF!
). But did anyone else see what I saw at 0:54 in this video? WTF!
Congrats on the success. I imagine at least some of that success was due to veteran shooters guiding you in the right direction. How did you go about putting on your own matches? Did you join another club that let you put on matches?
Discussions like this and open minds make the difference. If you needed an open division 1911 to get started it would hold out even more guys. Nothing wrong with any of the classes but does it lessen the other classes that a certain class exists?
Fellow range members asking for some flexibility and access to range facilities that they help pay for with their range fees isn't the same as a welfare case begging for a hand out.
Like I said there are enough people trying to hold us back without holding back each other. Federal, provincial government and the RCMP do everything they can to make life difficult. The only chance we have of success is helping each other and getting more people into the pro gun category.
Again great job starting your own games. These statements aren't against you by any means and I applaud you creating opportunity where there was none. Perhaps if "some of the same people" were willing to see past what has always been done there would be more success all around.
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I have to disagree with this. I guess it may depend on how your club is organized or run, but I know at my club if you approach the executive or directors with an idea they are pretty open to it. There are a limited number of Match Directors and Safety Officers. They have often committed their time to organizing and running their regularly scheduled events. If a member can design a match and can co-ordinate a work party to set up the match I think many qualified range staff would be willing to come out and act as RSO's.
Last year I presented the idea of running a CQB fun shoot to the club president. Initially he was concerned about safety with regard to transitioning from rifle to pistol and a few other issues. I wrote up my course of fire, we got together and I demonstrated how I was going to have shooters to transitions and some of the other safety measures I had incorporated. I ask a couple of guys in the club who are RSO's to help me out with the event and set up and it turned out to be a pretty fun event. Ran a second one in November and plan to run two or three this year along with are regularly scheduled pistol and 3 gun matches.
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this. its not that hard, just start small and force your friends to help. I started steel challenge (which is very rimfire friendly oddly enough) at my range because I wanted to shoot it, I had a few friends but mostly I just wanted to do it and I still run everything to do with it. Another friend of mine wanted to shoot 3 gun, so he got other like minded people together and now runs 3 gun matches. It's not magic, its hard work. If you want IPSC style with .22s then set it up and run it, you will see if other people want it as well.
I own more .22s than all my other calibers put together, the only time id shoot a rimfire match instead of a centerfire match (or even centerfire practice) is when I need a break because I'm burnt out or if I didn't have another option for shooting that weekend. rimfire is fun, but mostly just for when I want to have fun and not worry about competition
I believe that there is a real opportunity here,....
I have daughters that would love to shoot, IPSC if they could shoot their .22's. I often set up simple stages for them to bang through with their guns. They have little to no interest in centerfire at this time but the eldest starting to come around.
Attracting our sons and daughters and their friends to the sport can only benefit all gun owners in the future of our chosen sport.
IMO some of the apprehension towards rimfire is directly related to the "speed/power/accuracy" portion of IPSC. that being said,... letting kids learn without having to battle the power portion get kids involved. We used to at our club all bring a .22 along to blow through with at the end of our day. Suddenly all the kids there wanted to try and the "big kids" had the best poo eating grins of the day on their faces.
Other benefits:
cost of guns: $350. to ____ skies the limit gets you up and running
or
Conversion kits allow you to use your regular holster rig =no extra cost. You can get a conversion for almost any gun these days
Cheap ammo
great practice
A LOT OF EASY FUN
I have daughters that would love to shoot, IPSC if they could shoot their .22's. I often set up simple stages for them to bang through with their guns. They have little to no interest in centerfire at this time but the eldest starting to come around.
Attracting our sons and daughters and their friends to the sport can only benefit all gun owners in the future of our chosen sport.
IMO some of the apprehension towards rimfire is directly related to the "speed/power/accuracy" portion of IPSC. that being said,... letting kids learn without having to battle the power portion get kids involved. We used to at our club all bring a .22 along to blow through with at the end of our day. Suddenly all the kids there wanted to try and the "big kids" had the best poo eating grins of the day on their faces.
Other benefits:
cost of guns: $350. to ____ skies the limit gets you up and running
or
Conversion kits allow you to use your regular holster rig =no extra cost. You can get a conversion for almost any gun these days
Cheap ammo
great practice
A LOT OF EASY FUN
I started Steel Challenge in Port Alberni last year when I saw no one on the Island was doing it.I started with some targets I made with my Hubby. We are rimfire friendly and it's nice to see old and new shooters enjoying themselves. A few people are now interested in getting their Black Badge even. I had to show the executive my plans to run a safe event and it's been going really well. I got experience at my last range putting on IPSC matches and starting a new handgun club focusing on Steel Challenge has been pretty easy even though I'm a little shy at times. If you don't see what you want, run it yourself. I'm was certainly glad to have been a shooting clinic addict who's spent a lot of time volunteering to teach safe firearms handling and R.O.ing others before taking this on.
Nope, 'Not that I remember anyway.
Other than maybe asking a few people for ideas/advice I think we pretty much learned as we went along.
Secured range time, came up with a CoF, signed up shooters.... Ran the match.
'Sure there's more to it than that, but boiled down that's it
Didn't have to... I belong to two clubs both of which "let" me put on matches.
Gotta remember, "clubs" are for the members. I don't look at it as being "let" to put on matches... I work with the BoD, who are members too and between us we do what it takes to get stuff going.
I don't see where this comes from... I don't see anyone being held back. It's been my experience that most people be they regular members or BoD members fully support and are enthusiastic about anything that increases the use and enjoyment of the club/ranges.
Perhaps it's different at other clubs or the perception of being held back exists, but I have yet to experience any negative responses.
I think a rimfire carbine match would be a ton of fun and open up a few more possibilities for some clubs (thinking indoor carbine matches in the winter, for one thing
But did anyone else see what I saw at 0:54 in this video? WTF!
WTF is right!
Yeah that was bad, but check out 1:58! Nevermind breaking 90* the whole group of peolpe is in 30* of fire. Wow
great spin - but lets be honest, fastest growing in what sense and where are the members coming from (i.e. other disciplines) ?
anyways i really don't see the what the big deal is - IPSC has a .22 section, end of story. to someone that just discovered this thread - all i read to counter is a theory that CFO will say just shoot .22 if it was allowed and a whole lot of "my ##### size demands i shoot a certain grain projectile" (paraphrasing here lol).
