NR Rifle Battle ACR vs XCR

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So, I am in the market for a NR rifle. Since there are NR ACR's being brought in. I am having trouble deciding between the two.

The ACR looks better, but you cannot change the grips or change calibers / barrels.

But The ACR stock is way better than the XCR stock.


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The XCR you can change the grip / barrels and calibers. But it does not looks as nice as the ACR.

But the stock is garbage, I tried it on my buddies XCR and I did not like it. Also the AR stock adapters are to low, which will make the stock low and I cannot make a proper check weld and use a optic / irons.


What do you guys think. Which would you prefer? Is there a better XCR stock adapter in the works. I would love to run a ACR Stock or Magpul UBR on a XCR
 
You can change calibers in the ACR, just not as easily/cheaply as the XCR.

I have been tempted multiple times to buy a ACR. XCR doesn't interest me even a little.
 
some guys will says that their nr ACR is more accurate than the xcr-l , yep with a custom barrell it quite normal , but the ACR is more front heavy and you cant change the grip on it , XCR got way more potentiel for the modularity ,

mine is around 1.5/2 inch grouping with corrosive surplus ammo , the xcr-l is offer in a multitude of calibre , 7.62x39mm, .223/5.56 , 6.8spc , 300 blackout and even the 5.45x39mm from the Robs arms ,

try to find any of these from bushmater it like their dmr you will never see it !


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I've read lots of hate for the XCR FAST stock.
I actually really like. Huge fan. Some people say it doesn't lock up tight, it explains in the armorers manual (easy to find on google in pdf.) exactly how to tighten it up.

I have an XCR-L with a heavy 1:7 twist barrel and I was surprised at the accuracy. I'm getting 10 rounds consistently in a 2-3 inch circle at 70-ish meters with a set of plain iron sights and Norinco ammunition. My extractor is worn and the spring so I have a set coming in right now.
But ergonomics are unsurpassed, quality machining and just built like a tank. Simple easy design. If you want to fix/work on your own rifle instead of getting hosed by a gun smith then you can't find a better rifle than this one.
The only down side is the crazy price in this country but I just bought one used for 60% of the price new.

I'm liking the XCR quite a bit.
 
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You seem to be motivated by looks and you prefer the ACR, so that should be your choice.

Have you held an ACR? You can definitively say the stock is better? I haven't, so I can only go on pictures.

I will agree that the F.A.S.T stock was not to my liking after awhile, and I don't really need the folder option, so I went with the DLASK adpater. My ZAHAL butt stock has a cheek riser built in (lifted slightly) which works great with the Burris AR optic I have. I am only running 5.56 right now, but the option to switch to a larger round for hunting is appealing to me, just not there yet.

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As TB says, the ergos are awesome too. I don't have much experience with the AR platform, but I find I miss the XCR's ergos after I shoot one.... :)
 
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I have owned both an XCR and currently still an ACR. Both were NR configurations. Both rifles for me were left as-is from the factory aside from an optic or sling to mount on them. With hand loads I could achieve 1-1.25" groups @100yds from the bench with the XCR and a Burris AR332 optic if I really did my homework.
I can achieve the same type of groupings, if not minutely better with my ACR (18.5" 1-7 twist SS Herron arms barrel) with a hilux CMR optic.
What really persuaded me to sell the XCR and start saving for the ACR, was the ease of takedown without major tools.
I like that both platforms Have multi-caliber options and for me, this was a major plus to having an NR modern sporting/black rifle.
I really like both platforms, but my mileage tells me that the ACR is the only one left in the safe still. Having said that, your mileage will likely vary and you owe it to yourself to try out both platforms (if you can) before you buy.
I neglected to mention that the only issue I had with my ACR, was using norinco ammo (one FTE)
With my XCR (gen1) I had one firing pin break the tip off. Wolverine, and Rob Arms were fantastic with customer service, as the rifle was only down for a week. I also encountered the odd loose hex bolt that wiggled loose, blue loctite foxed that up.
 
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Are the NR ACRs arriving now? It seemed like they were always 6-8 months away. Maybe they've changed, but the ones originally mentioned were going to be in a DMR config with a heavy barrel and PRS stock (like SFRC has listed here), making them quite a different beast than the usual ACR.
 
Master-G said:
Are the NR ACRs arriving now? It seemed like they were always 6-8 months away. Maybe they've changed, but the ones originally mentioned were going to be in a DMR config with a heavy barrel and PRS stock (like SFRC has listed here), making them quite a different beast than the usual ACR.
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Not that I recall. IRUNGUNs is looking into having them re-barrelled when the Restricted ACRs are imported into Canada and there was a deal sometime ago from another vendor.
 
berger said:
Not that I recall. IRUNGUNs is looking into having them re-barrelled when the Restricted ACRs are imported into Canada and there was a deal sometime ago from another vendor.
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I see that on their forum now. So including the exchange rate and Dlask's NR conversion it looks like $2950, not including taxes or anything. That's not bad, actually, compared to what the total used to be. I have not seen any posts about Dlask's ACR work so I don't know how good they'd be...although I have no reason to think that there'd be any problem. I've seen some very nice-looking ones from Herron that, especially with the longer polymer fore-end and not the shorter railed fore-end, look very good...almost factory. They definitely don't have a conspicuously over-long look that some NR rifles have.
 
I had a XCR-L HB, it's alright, I put a Dlask adapter and a 3/4 riser on, it levelled it out and mlooked ok. There's NEA adapters floating around and they line up the tube much better( second gen if you find one). The gun weighed in at a touch over 11 lbs with a 2.5x10 zeiss,mounts, sling, foregrip/ bipod and a 10 rnd mag. Great for bench , but to call it a battle rifle is pushing it. I had the gas block fall off and I over torqued the barrel retention bolt and snapped it off ( that was a beach to fix :). As to accuracy , I was getting 1 MOA with Hornady 53 g superformance .
 
A restricted ACR can be bought for around $2000, my non restricted length stainless 300BLK barrel cost me $500 to have made, and a firearms verifier shouldn't charge you more than $100 (mine charged me $60) to do the paperwork. This puts you at $2550-$2600 for a non restricted ACR. My rifle will shoot around 0.9moa with my 300BLK barrel and 155gr A-max handloads. It doesn't do it every time but I think that's more of me just having a bad day than the rifle. I also have a non restricted 223 barrel but just did some trades to get this one and haven't shot it enough to see what ammo or handload it likes best.

Changing grips would be nice but it's definitely not needed. I find the rifle very comfortable and the ergonomics of both the XCR and ACR to be very similar.

I've shot all generations of XCR's except for the new keymod version and 3 ACR's (all NR conversions) and when it comes to accuracy the ACR wins every time. It's not even a close comparison, all the ACR's were close to 1moa while I've never shot an XCR that could print a 2moa group. I see a lot of people with XCR's claim their rifle shoots 1-1.5moa but I've never seen anyone back it up with a picture of a group that didn't look like a shotgun pattern with 5 out of 20 circled or where they didn't have a couple flyers that pulled the group out to around 3moa.

I don't find the rifle to be overly heavy unless I shoot it standing and swap back and forth between it and one of my AR's.

One of my shooting buddies bought a keymod XCR then a month or so later bought a non restricted ACR and he pretty much immediately sold the XCR and messaged me telling me that he now understands why I love my ACR so much.

If you can live with the lesser accuracy of the XCR then the only way to decide between the two would be to handle and hopefully shoot both of them. No one on here can tell you what looks better to you or what is more comfortable to you.
 
An ACR with a custom barrel outshoots a stock gun... you don't say.

Hold an ACR and then hold a keymod XCR with light barrel. No contest.

I suppose if you're bench shooting and using a tape measure after every 20 rounds then maybe the ACR is a better buy? Though I must say, I think its a little optimistic to hope to have a NR one for $2500.
 
My XCR HB keymod could do one Moa with the 53 g vmax and 1 1/2 with AE black box . And I posted the pics. 2 , 5 rnd groups of Hornady , both under an inch. And what kind of a bad day do you need to have to bench shoot groups at a hundred yards ? The only thing your doing is pulling the trigger. I sold it because I didn't like the weight , after all it's a NR hunting/ bush gun . Not a bench gun.
 
cr5 said:
One of my shooting buddies bought a keymod XCR then a month or so later bought a non restricted ACR and he pretty much immediately sold the XCR and messaged me telling me that he now understands why I love my ACR so much.
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That sounds like me! ;)

I enjoyed the keymod XCR ALOT when I had had it, and it seemed as good as my Tavor for accuracy with bulk 55gr federal I still had left over from a few years ago, but I never went out of my way to print groups or test ammo.

I found the stock on the XCR to be stiffer and lock up better then the ACR's, and all the hand controls were machined metal where as the ACR's are all polymer (safety, mag release, bolt release). I put a MIAD on my XCR in place of the A2 grip, but on the ACR I wouldn't bother if I could, its already the traditional Magpul grip.

The ease of take down for both platforms is something awesome, but the ACR ever so slightly wins out in this area.

XCR does have factory caliber conversions available which is nice and simple, but the barrel change system is an obvious fault and definitely not a tool-less quick change. The ACR on the other hand does not require any tools and can be changed in seconds and retain accuracy to within 1-2 scope clicks at 100m.

My M4 profiled barrel ACR is considerably heavier than my Keymod light barreled XCR was, and ACR is definitely front heavy compared to the XCR which I found well balanced for a conventional rifle design with a 18.6" barrel.

If you asked me why I sold my XCR once I had my ACR. I would flat out say accuraccy was the only reason. That same crappy 55gr bulk federal shot like a laser and I have never felt so confident shooting out at distance with a Semi-Auto 5.56 platform as I do now. I am very impressed with the ACR and very satisfied with my decision.

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Acr has a way better placement of the charging handle.
Acr is also a battle proven platform.

There both awesome rifles, i would be happy with either.

Heres the issue through, bushmaster does not care about civilian sales here
Robinson arms does. Xcr's are always around
 
Of those who have owned an AR15 and an ACR what do you think of the two? If an AR15 wasn't restricted I never would have thought of buying an ACR. Just wondering if I will not be as impressed with the ACR I have coming vs the Diemaco I just sold.
 
cr5 said:
A restricted ACR can be bought for around $2000, my non restricted length stainless 300BLK barrel cost me $500 to have made, and a firearms verifier shouldn't charge you more than $100 (mine charged me $60) to do the paperwork. This puts you at $2550-$2600 for a non restricted ACR. My rifle will shoot around 0.9moa with my 300BLK barrel and 155gr A-max handloads. It doesn't do it every time but I think that's more of me just having a bad day than the rifle. I also have a non restricted 223 barrel but just did some trades to get this one and haven't shot it enough to see what ammo or handload it likes best.
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A used restricted ACR can be bought for $2000 and with the cost of barrel conversion that will put the price of NR ACR to $2600.
A used non restricted XCR can be bought for $1800.

But of course this is the old price...for the new prices, you probably have to add another $300 to each gun (thanks to the weak Canadian dollar)
 
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