IPSC Production Division - all the hoopla??

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I just did my first IPSC match to complete my Black Badge course and it went great. Ton of fun, great crowd and I shot OK too.

What's all the fuss and hoopla about the Production Division? I shoot a Glock 34 and I like it, so I was one of 3 shooters in Std Div, with 90% of the rest in Production. Not sure I really see the advantage of Production, but being an IPSC noob, can someone net it out for me? I use my G34 for IDPA and general shooting, and am currently looking to buy another as a backup gun for competition, but all this fervent talk about Production has me thinking I'm missing something really obvious...
 
Production is popular due to the fact that the guns are usually on the lower end of the price scale. Everyone gets minor scoring, making 9mm the go to Caliber. In standard division many shooters run ammo that nets major power and this can potentially earn them higher scores. The guns tend to have things like magwells that are larger and single action only. If your glock is 9mm you will be shooting minor putting you at a disadvantage. If your just in it for fun no big deal, but if you want to compete perhaps not the best gun choice.
 
The appeal to me of Production is that it is 90% on the shooter and not on whatever widget or mod you did to it. Also the conceit that it is a gun that is more likely to be used as a go-to gun for practical purposes. Remember the P in IPSC is "Practical". While I'm sure someone somewhere might carry a chrome space gun as their daily carry in the U.S. I think it's more likely they'll have a gun that would fit in Production. I just shoot for enjoyment so it doesn't bother me that I am fighting with 60-70 other shooters for points.
 
Glock 34 is standard division not PRODUCTION.

These guns are named as not approved in the IPSC Production List Similar to ak-47 is named as prohibited in OIC.

I has this hun and it shoots OK. But then i got CZ-SP01 Shadow. Big difference.
 
The "Practical" in IPSC is no such thing. Compete in IDPA if that's your thing.

Production is enough for me, as I only compete in it for the practice. I've observed that the other classes becomes more of an equipment "arms race", which doesn't interest me.

Now, IDPA and 3 Gun......
 
Melnibonean said:
The "Practical" in IPSC is no such thing. Compete in IDPA if that's your thing.

Production is enough for me, as I only compete in it for the practice. I've observed that the other classes becomes more of an equipment "arms race", which doesn't interest me.

Now, IDPA and 3 Gun......
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So what your saying is that there is no "arms race" in three gun....Hmmmm Me thinks your crazy
 
I actually started in IDPA (hence the G34) and I quite like both formats (and 3Gun). Makes me think I shouldn't have gotten rid of my G22.
 
Just shoot on Standard Div. and shoot al A's, problem solved. Every game had its rules, just abide by it and you will be having fun. The Production Division was created to give way for other shooters who wants to use their equipment from the box. The G34 had 5.4 bbl. and max limit for production is 5". Or you can get a G22 upper, with that you can go either Production or Standard. Because all shooting discipline is a game, you need to level the playing field by coming up with set of rules .
 
bizman89 said:
So what your saying is that there is no "arms race" in three gun....Hmmmm Me thinks your crazy
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Not discussing the Open division, but you can compete with a 9mm (no power factor is calculated), 1 or no optic on your AR, and either with a pump or semi shotgun (no optic). Most of us have all of these. You can compete and win with what most of us have in our collection right now. Try doing that in IPSC standard without doing any mods whatsoever to your gun.
 
Silveragent said:
The appeal to me of Production is that it is 90% on the shooter and not on whatever widget or mod you did to it. Also the conceit that it is a gun that is more likely to be used as a go-to gun for practical purposes. Remember the P in IPSC is "Practical". While I'm sure someone somewhere might carry a chrome space gun as their daily carry in the U.S. I think it's more likely they'll have a gun that would fit in Production. I just shoot for enjoyment so it doesn't bother me that I am fighting with 60-70 other shooters for points.
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Could have fooled me. IPSC is Irrational People Squabbling Constantly. The practical aspect of it was removed decades ago, a good example of this is the introduction of more PC "headless" targets without a B zone. For better or worse, IPSC is now all about trying to become an Olympic sport (which may not be a bad thing).
 
kb007 said:
What's all the fuss and hoopla about the Production Division? I shoot a Glock 34 and I like it, so I was one of 3 shooters in Std Div, with 90% of the rest in Production.
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Nothing special about the Production Div. You're not missing anything, especially if you're fine with scoring minor with the G34 the Standard Div. It will likely be a bit challenging to keep up with the thousand dollars custom 2011 major guns, but hey, shoot what you enjoy ... right?

Hope this helps!
 
Melnibonean said:
The "Practical" in IPSC is no such thing. Compete in IDPA if that's your thing.

Production is enough for me, as I only compete in it for the practice. I've observed that the other classes becomes more of an equipment "arms race", which doesn't interest me.

Now, IDPA and 3 Gun......
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I've seen local shooter excel with glock 17. So no, please try again. Most of the new shooters get the cz because it's a shortcut for training.
 
When I first started shooting ipsc I went to my BB qualifier match only yo me mocked and ridiculed fir shooting a "production" gun.

They told me I'd never get classified because "nobody shoots priduction"...


Yeah well... whatever
 
Antoine22 said:
I've seen local shooter excel with glock 17. So no, please try again. Most of the new shooters get the cz because it's a shortcut for training.
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You misunderstood.

"Practical" shooting doesn't mean facing the target square completely exposed and standing up (at all times). A few other un-realistic/impractical differences too.

I wasn't talking about the guns used in Production at all.
 
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