IPSC Production Division - all the hoopla??
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People shoot Glocks because they don't need safetyShots fired!
Do people use glocks because the can't find the safety on a steel gun or because they're not strong enough to lift one?
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I participate in IPSC. I'm even Classified ("C"), so I don't know what led you to believe I don't participate in IPSC. I can speak based on my observations and opinions.
You on the other hand don't shoot IDPA, and admit to not knowing about it. That's ok, but I shoot IDPA as well and am classed as well. I can also speak to that based on my observations and opinions as well.
Yeager didn't mention to his viewers that by doing so, they would be bumped to Open and have to compete against the race guns. He said you can run what you bring in the EDC/CCW sense and even illustrated the point, which isn't exactly true.
It was at a Level 3 match in Montreal when I heard the RO - who's here on CGN and will most likely read this, so there's no accusation about me making things up - tell a heavy set novice competitor that he could/would DQ him at this Level of match because his already tucked in shirt was beginning to blouse over his belt. I was standing 10 feet away from them with my buddies and we couldn't believe it. So if an RO says it before the match, it must be true? Made IPSC out to be too uptight to be fun (and safe, of course).
Rhetorical question. The point is Yeager is misrepresenting the ease with which one could just shoot IPSC.
Apparently you're more insecure about any criticism leveled at your sport as well.
I don't want IPSC to change - no where did I advocate that. I said I found it to be an arms race which I don't want any part of and I found IDPA more practical. My opinion. I know of a great many people who no longer compete in IPSC, having had sour experiences with it. That's too bad for every shooter in Canada. But that's why we have different sports; if one isn't for us, we can go to another. Same thing with where we spend our money.
I think you missed his point about your "practical" argument. Your just one of those guys who knows it all and is an internet expert. One could choose to partially conceal themselves behind any wall or port and wear a jacket to conceal the gun but that would make no sense when all your IPSC competitors are not doing the same. IPSC and IDPA are not really meant to be any more than a game with the added benefit of getting proficient with a gun (three gun as well). If you want real training go to a 2 way range where someone is shooting back. That would be "practical". I guarantee we all would learn to take cover very quickly and most would be crying like babies.
Are you paid per stupid post or is it pro bono?
When we came under fire, we took cover and protected ourselves first. Then we would either return fire and/or wait for support and/or move. I never once saw or asked a man to square himself to the enemy or break from cover in order to return fire. I never once saw or asked a man going house to house or room to room to fully outline himself in the doorway. Maybe your experiences were different?.
In IPSC, you can square yourself to the target unless forced not to; in IDPA you can't unless told not to. In IPSC, the majority of the time, you will not be shooting from behind cover unless required to by the course of fire. In IDPA, you will be shooting from behind cover unless permitted not to by the course of fire. In IPSC, you can do tactical reloads whenever you want unless (again), it's against the stage requirements. In IDPA, you cannot do that (again) unless directed to do so by the stage.
I stated I prefer IDPA and said why. I'm not the only one:
One isn't better than the other objectively, and I see nothing wrong with saying the "P" in IPSC isn't really true: When I CCW (in the US), I don't do it with 8 mags on a Double Alpha belt, and my EDC doesn't have a thumb rest, a 2lb trigger, or an enlarged magwell. My ammo isn't downloaded to just barely make PF so I have a lighter recoil, and I also don't use an IWB Ghost Holster, incase you thought otherwise.
I DO have a concealment holster. I DO keep my jacket or shirt over the gun, so as to not print or be charged with "brandishing a firearm". I DO only have 2-3 mags on me at any time, and if it came to it, I WOULD probably shoot to slide lock and be forced to reload after ducking behind cover, as I would NEVER drop and leave a mag if it still had rounds in it.
But that's just what I get out of it. I get out of IPSC increased trigger time and a focus on accuracy. They're both good. To each his own.
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That is probably because IPSC is the best organized shooting discipline (in Canada?). Ontario IPSC has very well structured web-site with forum and calendar of matches. I started with PPC and wanted to get into IDPA but ended up with IPSC because of good organization and availability of matches. I wish IDPA Ontario would've be organized in the same manner as IPSC.
Btw, I also shoot production with Glock 17
+1 on that.
I am consistently impressed by how much time and effort the people who run IPSC Ontario put into the matches and the organization. They've created something really excellent, and I hope it continues to grow and be successful. I don't mind the "uptight" attitude, which mostly has to do with safety, and I am very grateful to the guys (and a good number of gals too) putting in time, weekend after weekend, as ROs. Props to you all if you are reading this thread.
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That ####ing clown are you serious?
Apparently making an observation and carrying on a conversation with you is pointless. No i don't get paid to post, but i do get paid to sell toilet paper and KC kleenex. They work very well for bull**** and crying.
Well let's see Gabe Atchison (sp) is doing a pretty good job shooting in USPSA with his AIWB setup and concealed mags, using his Glock. That's his daily carry gear.
As for the comment about concealment shooting in IPSC, good shooters end up shooting stages exactly like they were shooting from concealment, they pie through the targets, faster than you would in real life, but exactly the same way.
All that said, Yeager is pretty much spot on with his comments.
As for the comment about concealment shooting in IPSC, good shooters end up shooting stages exactly like they were shooting from concealment, they pie through the targets, faster than you would in real life, but exactly the same way.
All that said, Yeager is pretty much spot on with his comments.
I don't know about people "destroying" each other at matches, that doesn't seem PC
... but I'll raise you a Robert Vogel (IDPA guy) versus Eric Grauffel (IPSC guy). [youtube]Colj8lv3oZM[/youtube]
I personally prefer IDPA, but I will defend your right to play IPSC. Its all good, and we don't need more bashing.
I have shot with Rob Vogel 3 times, twice at USPSA match and once at IPSC match and he is an amazing shooter. He didn't brag about what type shooting he liked or what is better.
On this forum we have group of guys who like to say stupid things instead showing their skills in matches. I would respect a shooter who can actually shoot accurate and fast, but comparing IPSC which is
at this time the most popular pistol shooting discipline to IDPA which is not even near doesn't make sense. I have seen and talked to few IDPA guys crossing to IPSC and after few matches they realize
how much they need to learn.
On this forum we have group of guys who like to say stupid things instead showing their skills in matches. I would respect a shooter who can actually shoot accurate and fast, but comparing IPSC which is
at this time the most popular pistol shooting discipline to IDPA which is not even near doesn't make sense. I have seen and talked to few IDPA guys crossing to IPSC and after few matches they realize
how much they need to learn.
I think its fair to say Vogel is more of an IDPA guy than Grauffel.
And after 8 straight wins at the IDPA Indoor Nationals, I would think it's also fair to say that Vogel is an IDPA guy. He also participates in USPSA/IPSC, which is also true of many people who aren't nearly as talented as him (which accounts for the vast majority of the rest of us). The action shooting sports have a lot to offer, from the novice to the professional, and bashing each other is just silly. Prime example below:I think its fair to say Vogel is more of an IDPA guy than Grauffel.
I disagree but will leave it at that. I have to come to realize anybody pro IDPA is always right
I disagree but will leave it at that. I have to come to realize anybody pro IDPA is always right
I respect your right to disagree (I assume its about the Vogel vs Grauffel comparison) and I recognize that everyone is entitled to an opinion. Pro IDPA people are pretty easy going like that.
Nah jerry isnt doing too well now days, he sticks with revolver, steel challenge and shotgun and a little 3 gun nation. Bob has been practicing with taran for 3 gun for the last 2 years with nils. ipsc looked like fun till i was asked what guns i was bringing in a email, i said glock, he replied sure bring your junk over. Ive seen him at 3 gun matches and he sucks, i smoked him badly with my plastic pew pew. Conceal carry competitions are very life like, and black badges need to get certified before shooting so its a level playing field for everyone. Real good practice for self defense, but they are held over the border for the guys that have their form 6.
Lots of Glock shooters in IPSC (Alberta), I started with my G17 Gen 4 but shooting the HK P30L now. I want to up my proficiency with the HK.
