Kinda like shooting "defensive pistol" in a country that doesn't allow carry or the right to protect ones self. The practicality of that isn't practical now is it. Just saying.
IPSC Production Division - all the hoopla??
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Kinda like shooting "defensive pistol" in a country that doesn't allow carry or the right to protect ones self. The practicality of that isn't practical now is it. Just saying.
The reason I shoot production is that I want to be more proficient with my out of the box pistol. That is pretty much the long and short of it. Many people do not want to start getting into the "gear wars" and just like shooting what they already have in the safe.
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You're mistaken as well. We do have the right in Canada to protect ourselves. Always have.
But your astute and insightful observation also applies to anyone who practices fencing or Kendo or Iaido. Who walks around carrying a sword, after all?
Same thing for the Javelin and Hammer toss. Are we really training realistically for mass combat in today's day and age?
And re-read your sentence and then tell me how that would apply to something like Boxing or any unarmed combat sport?
Maybe we should all just turn in our pistols and ARs and keep only the firearms that can be used in hunting - IF we hunt, since owning them in this country isn't very practical. Or useful, realistically speaking.
Are you paid per post, or do you do it pro bono?
production you have to shoot more A's, more so than other divisions in my opinion. (ie: a few more C's are going to make a difference, especially with minor scoring) Your triggers are generally heavier, especially for the DA first shot, the magwells are absent in production division as well.
If you shoot production proficiently, than (IMHO), you will likely shoot well in other divisions. When i shoot standard or open, i shoot major, so I don't fret or generally make up shots as a few C's make little difference as long as you are going fast.
If you shoot production proficiently, than (IMHO), you will likely shoot well in other divisions. When i shoot standard or open, i shoot major, so I don't fret or generally make up shots as a few C's make little difference as long as you are going fast.
example A. production scoring in a 32rd stage.....with 12 C's = down 24 points...that is like 2 penalty targets and a D.
example B. Standard Major scoring 32rd stage......with 10 C's = down 10 points.. .as long as you went fast, I think that is OK. again...just my opinion,..but I know that Power Speed and Accuracy are supposed to be technically equal,..I find Open division it is more about speed and getting good hits, as your loads working with your compensator + a red dot settle down the recoil and some gun movement,...Standard major is recoil management and Speed, and production division is about speed, but a lot more A's will make up some difference in scoring,..I don't feel recoil is a big issue, as it is 9mm. I think it is more about timing and sight picture,...AND of course good fast mag changes.
example B. Standard Major scoring 32rd stage......with 10 C's = down 10 points.. .as long as you went fast, I think that is OK. again...just my opinion,..but I know that Power Speed and Accuracy are supposed to be technically equal,..I find Open division it is more about speed and getting good hits, as your loads working with your compensator + a red dot settle down the recoil and some gun movement,...Standard major is recoil management and Speed, and production division is about speed, but a lot more A's will make up some difference in scoring,..I don't feel recoil is a big issue, as it is 9mm. I think it is more about timing and sight picture,...AND of course good fast mag changes.
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I guess you missed the memo on those "production" Tangfolios kids these days are using...
That is probably because IPSC is the best organized shooting discipline (in Canada?). Ontario IPSC has very well structured web-site with forum and calendar of matches. I started with PPC and wanted to get into IDPA but ended up with IPSC because of good organization and availability of matches. I wish IDPA Ontario would've be organized in the same manner as IPSC.
Btw, I also shoot production with Glock 17
That is probably because IPSC is the best organized shooting discipline (in Canada?). Ontario IPSC has very well structured web-site with forum and calendar of matches. I started with PPC and wanted to get into IDPA but ended up with IPSC because of good organization and availability of matches. I wish IDPA Ontario would've be organized in the same manner as IPSC.
Btw, I also shoot production with Glock 17
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Yes, those "cheater guns" I've heard others describe. Nonetheless, as forgiving as those are, they still have to remain stock. Whereas as you know, in Standard, the mods allowed quickly render any gun a level above even those. Completely impractical and certainly not what any LEO or Mil or CCW holder would ever carry or use. Production is at least more realistic, and, as mentioned, forces you to shoot "A"s if you want to be competitive
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Yes. In IPSC, Gear is more important (in Standard and Open). He's right.
He's also saying what I said....IPSC for practice.
And he's not had to deal with rule Nazis, judging by his comments. No way he'd be allowed to put his spare mag ahead of his hip bone. There is no way he'd be allowed to compete "how he carries". What would a RO say if he was doing a level 3 IPSC match and his shirt was not tucked in, for heaven's sake? Or he was drawing from his pocket, or the small of his back?
He can talk about throwing flash bangs and stuff till he's blue in the face: that's LEO and Mil tactics. The guy or girl at home who needs to go into a room doesn't have grenades, or a squad behind him/her to properly control a room. He/she will use cover (IDPA). He/she will shoot and reload from cover. And chances are, they'll empty the mag from the adrenalin and be forced to reload from slide lock.
IPSC does none of these. IDPA doesn't improve your shooting skills, but I find it's more practical. IPSC increases your shooting skill, but isn't "practical" for the reasons I mentioned already (and so did he in passing).
I don't like crowds so I shoot classic division
You better watch out single stack is picking up the pace pretty quick, i wouldn't be surprise to see it outnumber another division in the next year or so.
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I always get a kick when someone who doesn't actively participate in IPSC decides to criticize it.
I don't shoot IDPA - and I freely admit I don't know a damn thing about it, but I do keep my mouth shut about it.
If you don't like IPSC - don't shoot it. We don't mind.
With membership at an all-time high, sold-out matches all over the country & wait lists for black badge courses, we're happy to admit that we are not everything to everyone, but apparently we're something special to a lot more people than the alternatives.
I don't shoot IDPA - and I freely admit I don't know a damn thing about it, but I do keep my mouth shut about it.
Why not? He'd be in Open and he did say don't shoot to compete.
So long as he doesn't cross draw or shoulder holster - he would.
This NROI Range Master would say "Not trying to win, are ya?" but there's nothing in the rule book about tucked-in shirts regardless of the level.
That - would be a no-no. Can you play in IDPA without a real holster?
That depends on the holster and it's angles.
If you don't like IPSC - don't shoot it. We don't mind.
With membership at an all-time high, sold-out matches all over the country & wait lists for black badge courses, we're happy to admit that we are not everything to everyone, but apparently we're something special to a lot more people than the alternatives.
I think you missed his point about your "practical" argument. Your just one of those guys who knows it all and is an internet expert. One could choose to partially conceal themselves behind any wall or port and wear a jacket to conceal the gun but that would make no sense when all your IPSC competitors are not doing the same. IPSC and IDPA are not really meant to be any more than a game with the added benefit of getting proficient with a gun (three gun as well). If you want real training go to a 2 way range where someone is shooting back. That would be "practical". I guarantee we all would learn to take cover very quickly and most would be crying like babies.
Are you paid per stupid post or is it pro bono
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